i didnt say you were harassing anyone. i said you were protecting the ability to harass people. which is a really strange thing to do. kinda like American 2nd amendment freaks.
More 1st amendment (not that I am american). I think I made it clear that what you propose will do more harm and that what I am protecting is the ability for everyone to post on a public site based on the idea that it is what it was built for. I don’t think that lemmy has no harassment, but reporting and having much more private communities ran by members of that community is a better choice then giving every single person (the harassers included) the ability to police what is typed everywhere.
let me combine what you just said with something from that other 2yo conversation with something someone else just made me think of:
What if blocking just prevented replying/voting, and didn’t actually prevent the blockee from seeing the content? The crux of the issue with the reddit-style block is that people could pre-emptively block people and then say shit about them without them ever knowing. So let them know, just don’t let them respond back directly on the other person’s post.
additionally, what if the block was community-specific so that this wasn’t something that needed to be federated everywhere, making blocks public, and impacting behaviour across the entire fediverse? If someone wanted a wider block, then a client would be able to send out multiple blocks to different communities. or maybe instance-level instead of community-level.
and finally, what if we had invite-only/private communities? afaict this isn’t supported in lemmy, and there is no way to make it totally private, but we can make a best effort so that its not trivial for harassers to invade these communities and exfiltrate the info. instances/server-software/clients that didn’t respect the privacy could be blocked by instances.
I think that together these are pretty reasonable and would satisfy OP.
and finally, what if we had invite-only/private communities?
We do have those, you can have instances not federate and be invite only. But lets face it discord does that better.
I think that together these are pretty reasonable and would satisfy OP.
None of those are reasonable and most break the very core concept of federation. What you are proposing is to burn down the fediverse in order to protect groups who are not asking for this.
you can have instances not federate and be invite only.
but thats not what I said, private instances are not the same as private communities. I want to be able to join a private community with my existing account, for example.
break the very core concept of federation
elaborate.
I proposed 3 things. how do they break the very core concept of federation more than having a defederated instance just to host a community, forcing people to make a new account?
sure, i get the private communities is probably difficult to federate. I dont accept that it “breaks the very core concept of federation”.
but community/instance level user blocklists? how could those possibly break the core concept of federation when community banlists exist?
you are (I know this is a shock) not the center of society. your ability to harass people without repercussion is a bug, not a feature.
This is not harassment. If you feel otherwise please use the tools provided and report.
whats not harassment?
My statements here, but you knew that. Once again if you feel other wise, please use the report feature.
i didnt say you were harassing anyone. i said you were protecting the ability to harass people. which is a really strange thing to do. kinda like American 2nd amendment freaks.
More 1st amendment (not that I am american). I think I made it clear that what you propose will do more harm and that what I am protecting is the ability for everyone to post on a public site based on the idea that it is what it was built for. I don’t think that lemmy has no harassment, but reporting and having much more private communities ran by members of that community is a better choice then giving every single person (the harassers included) the ability to police what is typed everywhere.
let me combine what you just said with something from that other 2yo conversation with something someone else just made me think of:
What if blocking just prevented replying/voting, and didn’t actually prevent the blockee from seeing the content? The crux of the issue with the reddit-style block is that people could pre-emptively block people and then say shit about them without them ever knowing. So let them know, just don’t let them respond back directly on the other person’s post.
additionally, what if the block was community-specific so that this wasn’t something that needed to be federated everywhere, making blocks public, and impacting behaviour across the entire fediverse? If someone wanted a wider block, then a client would be able to send out multiple blocks to different communities. or maybe instance-level instead of community-level.
and finally, what if we had invite-only/private communities? afaict this isn’t supported in lemmy, and there is no way to make it totally private, but we can make a best effort so that its not trivial for harassers to invade these communities and exfiltrate the info. instances/server-software/clients that didn’t respect the privacy could be blocked by instances.
I think that together these are pretty reasonable and would satisfy OP.
We do have those, you can have instances not federate and be invite only. But lets face it discord does that better.
None of those are reasonable and most break the very core concept of federation. What you are proposing is to burn down the fediverse in order to protect groups who are not asking for this.
but thats not what I said, private instances are not the same as private communities. I want to be able to join a private community with my existing account, for example.
elaborate.
I proposed 3 things. how do they break the very core concept of federation more than having a defederated instance just to host a community, forcing people to make a new account?
sure, i get the private communities is probably difficult to federate. I dont accept that it “breaks the very core concept of federation”.
but community/instance level user blocklists? how could those possibly break the core concept of federation when community banlists exist?