• Rose@lemmy.zip
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    1 day ago

    What’s the “extreme left”? Anarchists? Why would they support authoritarianism?

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      23 hours ago

      Indeed as an Anarchist, tankies and maga conservatives are the mirror of each other, it’s just who holds the hammer and gun that differs.

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        22 hours ago

        You won’t see a tankie doing a nazi salute, but you will find them spouting the same antisemitism

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          21 hours ago

          Anti-Semitism as a phrase is broken, maybe you should find a new word to use that isn’t poisoned. Did you know that the Arab peoples are semitic?

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              21 hours ago

              Idk what to use instead but the Nazis busy accusing everybody opposing the Nazi shit in the Middle East right now of being anti-Semitic has ruined that phrase.

              Ie, Israel’s others, forced into ghettos Israel controls where they control everything coming in and out, impoverishing the populations for decades, have after a ghetto Uprising embarked on a final solution, first for Gaza later for the ghettos in the West Bank.

              Anyone calling this for what it is is accused of anti-semitism. And every organization has been bullied into accepting it as a valid criticism, from social media companies to political organizations to universities. So I don’t know what a replacement phrase should be, but that phrase I believe is broken.

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                20 hours ago

                For Israel’s actions, I just call it imperialism or atrocities.

                I’m hesitant about changing anti-semitism or changing zionism to mean imperialism/occupation due to the fuel it’ll give alt-righters and antisemites to hide their bigotry. Had a user here who was using “zio,” a phrase coined by the KKK leader David Duke.

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                  20 hours ago

                  Normally I would say one should not back off of a phrase just because it has been used in bad faith by other groups, not so sure about this one however. Not the least as since middle eastern people are all semites west of Iran it just doesn’t fit as a definition as it is used.

                  But yes you touch on the Crux of the matter, Israel is directly Allied to actual Nazis and fascists actively pursuing those old school conspiracy theories about Jewish people. Benjamin netanyahu’s son tweeted in support of the Charlottesville Nazis and heaped scorn on the anti-fascists that fought with them in the streets.

                  It is an unholy alliance, with Evangelical groups as much as any. They are literally supporting the worst things in Israel to bring on the Rapture so the world drowns in lakes of blood and Fire. That is not hyperbole.

                  I for one oppose drowning the world in lakes of blood and fire, as I suspect most of the electorate does.

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                    20 hours ago

                    I’ve never really heard any of this stuff before. If you can link it, that’d be cool

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              21 hours ago

              I guess he refers to the fact that the US/UK uses it to label human rights activism as terrorism.

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                6 hours ago

                I’m a little weary about using human rights activism, as that’s exactly the same as what anti-immigration and “white replacement” nazis say, ‘We’re protesting human rights’ – Not that I’m calling them nazis, just that it doesn’t magically make groups infallible. Actions speak louder than words