I still use the web interface for each email provider like gmail, outlook, etc
Thunderbird - on my PC and Mobile… Always worked flawlessly - both with my different mail-services and my own domain name mail server…
Thunderbird
Same
ArcaneChat on mobile
Bröther…
what is this, is it anything like Delta Chat? (i.e. the UI of a chat app but using email for sending/receiving messages)
I’ve been trying out Delta Chat for messaging my family. It’s a bit kludgy and messy though, at least when interacting with others who are using regular email clients. For instance, it sometimes sends multiple emails rather than bundling it up as one.
Cool cuban dev adds features that generally come to delta chat shortly afterward
fork in close relation with DeltaChat!
cleans up some cludge for some smoothness instead :3
maybe those issues you’re having will go away after some bug reporting? /genuine encouragement, neutral tone
Nice, I’ll give it a whirl. Their their website says, “ArcaneChat is a Delta Chat client” so maybe it deals with the issues I’ve had better.
bug reporting
I’m looking for projects I can contribute to in some way, so definitely not averse to bug reporting. From some discussions on the forum, the way I’m using it isn’t really supported and they’re really aimed at people who want to chat securely without being tied to proprietary networks. But I’m certainly not the only one who would prefer not to use proprietary chat protocols like WhatsApp, but there’s just too many other people I’d have to convince to switch to yet another chat app. Delta Chat / ArcaneChat really seem to offer a way forward for people like me, but the chat experience for people using regular email clients has to be very good - people get annoyed quickly if they receive 5 emails in a row each containing a single picture followed by a 6th email that just contains text (which is how my attempt at a message sharing some photos came through for email users)
maybe! =)
cool that you are of a mind to contribute to the projects you rely on.
i am personally curious now: are you using another email provider for chatting with other’s regular email addresses? i imagine the deltachat programs are optimized for use with chatmail addresses exclusively- and other email providers either playing nice with open standards or not. for example i hear there is a hassle tuning things to fit proprietary email providers.
yes I’m using my regular email and messaging family members using theirs.
It’s working fine, except for the occasional issue like I mentioned, i.e. sending multiple emails for one message.
I don’t know what it’s doing about encryption - it seems to use it when it knows the other party supports it, but that’s not my priority at this point, my aim is to encourage people to move off WhatsApp (this is what all my chatting takes place on). I’m kind of using the family chat as guinea pigs really.
applause that you move your family off of those exploitative spywares!
here’s an address to a sockpuppet account i just made using ArcaneChat and the official chatmail servers, for anyone’s interest in testing it out in vitu
Contact me on ArcaneChat:
Does it work for gmail, yahoo, etc ?
Easiest way is use Tuta as a backup email for an IMAP-compatible email provider working with Delta. That way you don’t need any real phone #s or emails and nothing links back to one identity
stop using those oppressive email providers already??
idk if those billionare monopolies let you use IMAP & POP
try anything else- like StartMail, from dutch GDPR championing StartPage organization
Kmail on Android, Evolution on laptop.
Evo is a little clunky looking but it integrates calendar, contacts, and does PGP seamlessly using Gnome’s key manager.
Evolution being just a little bit clunky is a massive improvement from the Gnome 2 and early Gnome 3 days, for what it’s worth.
I don’t. That’s the entire point about having different mailboxes in the first place : they stay isolated and I manage notifications (or not) exactly how I want, when I want.
Thunderbird.
It is the worst email client besides all the alternatives
I like Betterbird, I find it slightly more less worst.
I use FairEmail on phone and Sylpheed on desktop.
I use Thunderbird.
Sometimes you just cant beat the classics.
Especially when the classic Thunderbird was just overhauled with modern UI
Oh, I didn’t know they did an overhaul, I’ll check it out!!
(Which you can disable, luckily. I still use the classic layout with the table of emails on top and the selected email below)
fairmail on phone, postbox on pc
Thunderbird since forever. Before that, Seamonkey and the Mozilla suite.
There are some changes I didn’t like over the years like the tabbed interface for everything, but nothing else ever came along that worked as well and was multi-platform.
I use Mailspring. Thunderbird was crashing a lot for me a few months ago but I had used TB for a long time so I will probably move back to it soon.
Betterbird
How about isync + notmuch + afew + alot + msmtp? gpg decryption not directly supported but using alot’s pipeto it can be used to decrypt messages. As using notmuch as indexer it’s flow is pretty similar/compatible to/with gmail.
Do you really use all of those? I don’t see the point in using so many tools when there are many standalone programs that can accomplish the same task.
It depends on your preferences of course. Notmuch offers a way fast indexer you can’t get with traditional gui applications, but by itself it’s not pretty useful, however the integration with other tools makes it really powerful, with afew you get your personal tagging when messages arrive (filters), with alot you just get the email frontend. If you like the terminal experience, then you’d know you need something extra for smtp (writing emails) and there you have for example msmtp. It’s a matter of choice. I mentioned notmuch since the traditional approach to the terminal is plain neomutt, but there are alternatives. isync (mbsync) actually interacts well with neomutt but it also does it with notmuch, and neomutt can be used as a frontend for notmuch as well. A matter of choices.
The thing with solutions like thunderbird is that you have to adhere to their design decisions. For example I don’t like their librnp implementation, and I had to create alpm hooks on artix to keep updating such library with sequoia-octopus-librnp, not because I like rust (I don’t dislike it either), but because at least I can keep just one keyring, and thunderbird when not having a master password (the default) keeps its keyring unencrypted, and I pretty much see no reason not to use gnupg. So I decided I better kept using gnupg’s keyring and stuff. Integrating different tools designed for specific purposes you have more freedom of choice. At any rate that’s how unix was conceived, and you can choose to do it that way if you want.
unix philosophy
I used to use Thunderbird, but their PGP integration always crashed the whole program. I now use Evolution.
Interesting, GPG has been working just fine for me so far.
My main issue with it remains that barely anyone else uses GPG.
PGP integration? Thunderbird has in-built support for PGP, isn’t it?
BTW, most of my incoming emails are routed (and encrypted) via addy.io and never faced any issue in opening encrypted (and signed) emails in Thunderbird.
Not for smartcards
Thunderbird. I even use Thunderbird as my RSS reader too.
Off-topic: For RSS feed, you might want to have a look at Miniflux[1] if your also into self-hosting.
