All of those are streamers, and a single digit list of those (5 of them). I would have liked to see a linux community recognize entire community of experts, but this whole argument seems to be just people taking their favorite streaming personalities and doing a lot of what’s wrong in reality shows with them. If all your experts are streamers, you have a very flawed definition of an expert.
Thanks for getting your feet wet, though. Louis Rossmann is more of a consumer right’s advocate nowadays, Gamers Nexus and Wendell are more of the same generalists that would compete in LTT’s interest base, and Wendell and the rest have a focus more on the side of *nux and more professional deployments. To me, three out of the five being Linux domained says the issue is less about someone being an expert than what they are expert in, and Louis Rossmann being nudged along with Gamer’s Nexus when he’s sort of out of the domain involved yet him being a key supporting figure along with Gamer’s Nexus criticism in the past hints that his inclusion might be prioritized on that instead. Also, Louis Rossmann is literally trying to get people to avatar Clippy … because lesser evil is an icon of antiAI or some such?
Not criticizing those streamers, just trying to see where a lot of the drama is coming from and whether my own assumptions on that are justified. A lot of them seem to be from people with more expertise in the Linux community. Linus has been pushing for Linux adoption for people outside of the community for some time now, and because he appeals to that outside community more has generally been more effective at it.
Wait, so you want me to list maintainers of projects or something? Someone that isn’t well known?
I really have no idea what you’re asking for.
Linus has been pushing for Linux adoption for people outside of the community for some time now
Wouldn’t know. Don’t care.
He’s a lying cheating clown. Literally every single video, review, and product recommendation from LTT prior to the Gamers Nexus video about them is null and void. That means tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands (or more), of people made purchasing decisions based on bogus data.
Then there was the storage server video. That was basically using-a-porcelain-dinner-plate-to-hammer-a-nail levels of “expertise”.
I hear you on the frustration with the errors and the Billet Labs situation; those were legitimate issues. But I think there’s a difference between holding someone accountable and writing them off permanently.
The thing is, LMG did take concrete steps after the GN video:
They paused uploads for a week
Established an error-checking team (ECC squad)
Have been building out their lab infrastructure (their PSU testing and articles can be really neat)
Are they perfect now? No. But if we don’t acknowledge when people/companies make genuine efforts to improve, what’s the incentive for anyone to try?
I’m not saying you have to watch LTT or trust everything they say. But the “his opinion literally means nothing to me” stance feels pretty absolute for a situation where they’ve at least attempted course correction. Most of us have professional screw-ups we’ve learned from. I think the question is whether the response was adequate, not whether mistakes disqualify someone forever.
I hear you on the frustration with the errors and the Billet Labs situation; those were legitimate issues
I didn’t mention Billet labs once. But since you did mention it, let’s get into that.
That whole situation further highlights the mindset of Linus Sebastian. Instead of taking a beat to figure out what’s going on, he wrote a reactionary post… TWICE… on floatplane and kept digging in his heels further.
The clown always plays the victim. That’s his MO in everything he does. That’s his go to whenever he gets called out. He couldn’t even be serious the one time it freaking mattered, which was during their “apology” video.
But getting back to the Billet Labs issue. The reason it went down the way it did is because Linus Sebastian doesn’t care. If he did then he would have been respectful and done the test with the hardware it was defined for. If he cared then he wouldn’t have gone on a rant on the WAAH show after getting called out about spending extra money to get someone to run the test again properly. Because it “wasn’t worth the extra time”.
As for why it got auctioned off, he literally played the victim again by blaming other people for not tracking it properly and it got “mixed up”. Despite that excuse being a complete lie, it still looks really bad for him. Because it again means that he doesn’t care, because he’s more important. In his mind he’s thinking that he did the favour by showing the product on his channel.
Have been building out their lab infrastructure (their PSU testing and articles can be really neat)
Trust is hard to earn once it’s been lost. It’s one thing to have a new group out of nowhere providing stats. But it’s a completely different thing when the people providing those stats have a proven track record of negligence and garbage quality practices.
But if we don’t acknowledge when people/companies make genuine efforts to improve, what’s the incentive for anyone to try?
I haven’t seen any evidence of “genuine efforts” from those clowns.
Most of us have professional screw-ups we’ve learned from.
Screw ups are fine. Actually I like screw ups every so often because it humanizes people and can help keep egos in check. But we’re not talking about “screw ups”, we’re talking about blatant lies on top of tech illiteracy, with an extra serving of tripling down on said lies.
I think the question is whether the response was adequate
The response wasn’t adequate, because they’re still in business. They have directly influenced the purchasing decisions of countless people that trusted their bad data, and if it wasn’t the social media blowup around the Billet Labs stuff, they likely would have caused irreparable reputation harm towards Billet Labs. So millions of dollars worth of bad purchasing suggestions and nearly running a small start-up out of business.
Don’t worry, I think I more or less got a sense of where you are really coming from. That you have no idea what I am asking for is a nail for the impression I got.
So you’re complaining that I downvote your comments? If people agree with what you say they’re free to upvote you. I happen to think you’re objectively wrong, so I downvote. I’m using the system as intended.
There are plenty of comments in the past where I upvote someone who has a genuine differing opinion on something, or where they show me that I’m wrong about something. You’re free to comb through my comment history if you like. But don’t claim to have “figured me out” because I don’t agree with you and downvoted your comments.
All of those are streamers, and a single digit list of those (5 of them). I would have liked to see a linux community recognize entire community of experts, but this whole argument seems to be just people taking their favorite streaming personalities and doing a lot of what’s wrong in reality shows with them. If all your experts are streamers, you have a very flawed definition of an expert.
Thanks for getting your feet wet, though. Louis Rossmann is more of a consumer right’s advocate nowadays, Gamers Nexus and Wendell are more of the same generalists that would compete in LTT’s interest base, and Wendell and the rest have a focus more on the side of *nux and more professional deployments. To me, three out of the five being Linux domained says the issue is less about someone being an expert than what they are expert in, and Louis Rossmann being nudged along with Gamer’s Nexus when he’s sort of out of the domain involved yet him being a key supporting figure along with Gamer’s Nexus criticism in the past hints that his inclusion might be prioritized on that instead. Also, Louis Rossmann is literally trying to get people to avatar Clippy … because lesser evil is an icon of antiAI or some such?
Not criticizing those streamers, just trying to see where a lot of the drama is coming from and whether my own assumptions on that are justified. A lot of them seem to be from people with more expertise in the Linux community. Linus has been pushing for Linux adoption for people outside of the community for some time now, and because he appeals to that outside community more has generally been more effective at it.
Wait, so you want me to list maintainers of projects or something? Someone that isn’t well known?
I really have no idea what you’re asking for.
Wouldn’t know. Don’t care.
He’s a lying cheating clown. Literally every single video, review, and product recommendation from LTT prior to the Gamers Nexus video about them is null and void. That means tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands (or more), of people made purchasing decisions based on bogus data.
Then there was the storage server video. That was basically using-a-porcelain-dinner-plate-to-hammer-a-nail levels of “expertise”.
His opinion literally means nothing to me.
I hear you on the frustration with the errors and the Billet Labs situation; those were legitimate issues. But I think there’s a difference between holding someone accountable and writing them off permanently.
The thing is, LMG did take concrete steps after the GN video:
Are they perfect now? No. But if we don’t acknowledge when people/companies make genuine efforts to improve, what’s the incentive for anyone to try?
I’m not saying you have to watch LTT or trust everything they say. But the “his opinion literally means nothing to me” stance feels pretty absolute for a situation where they’ve at least attempted course correction. Most of us have professional screw-ups we’ve learned from. I think the question is whether the response was adequate, not whether mistakes disqualify someone forever.
I didn’t mention Billet labs once. But since you did mention it, let’s get into that.
That whole situation further highlights the mindset of Linus Sebastian. Instead of taking a beat to figure out what’s going on, he wrote a reactionary post… TWICE… on floatplane and kept digging in his heels further.
The clown always plays the victim. That’s his MO in everything he does. That’s his go to whenever he gets called out. He couldn’t even be serious the one time it freaking mattered, which was during their “apology” video.
But getting back to the Billet Labs issue. The reason it went down the way it did is because Linus Sebastian doesn’t care. If he did then he would have been respectful and done the test with the hardware it was defined for. If he cared then he wouldn’t have gone on a rant on the WAAH show after getting called out about spending extra money to get someone to run the test again properly. Because it “wasn’t worth the extra time”.
As for why it got auctioned off, he literally played the victim again by blaming other people for not tracking it properly and it got “mixed up”. Despite that excuse being a complete lie, it still looks really bad for him. Because it again means that he doesn’t care, because he’s more important. In his mind he’s thinking that he did the favour by showing the product on his channel.
Trust is hard to earn once it’s been lost. It’s one thing to have a new group out of nowhere providing stats. But it’s a completely different thing when the people providing those stats have a proven track record of negligence and garbage quality practices.
I haven’t seen any evidence of “genuine efforts” from those clowns.
Screw ups are fine. Actually I like screw ups every so often because it humanizes people and can help keep egos in check. But we’re not talking about “screw ups”, we’re talking about blatant lies on top of tech illiteracy, with an extra serving of tripling down on said lies.
The response wasn’t adequate, because they’re still in business. They have directly influenced the purchasing decisions of countless people that trusted their bad data, and if it wasn’t the social media blowup around the Billet Labs stuff, they likely would have caused irreparable reputation harm towards Billet Labs. So millions of dollars worth of bad purchasing suggestions and nearly running a small start-up out of business.
LTT can rot for all I care.
Don’t worry, I think I more or less got a sense of where you are really coming from. That you have no idea what I am asking for is a nail for the impression I got.
Do enlighten me
Let’s just say it’s from a mindset that downvotes every comment that replies to them.
So you’re complaining that I downvote your comments? If people agree with what you say they’re free to upvote you. I happen to think you’re objectively wrong, so I downvote. I’m using the system as intended.
There are plenty of comments in the past where I upvote someone who has a genuine differing opinion on something, or where they show me that I’m wrong about something. You’re free to comb through my comment history if you like. But don’t claim to have “figured me out” because I don’t agree with you and downvoted your comments.
Yeah, that must be it.
Alright, nice elephant hurling. Better luck next time.