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  • Being rude and condescending back didn’t improve the situation.

    You were correct, factually, and they were wrong. People don’t like being told that they’re wrong and being rude is one of the more common reactions. If you’re going to try to engage with people on topics where there is a lot of ignorance and misinformation you’ll encounter that a lot.

    If you’re just going to hit back then you’re going to be spending a lot of time pissed off and wasting your time trash talking people who don’t care what you have to say. To me, that tactic generates a lot of headache and no gain. Once it gets toxic I’d rather disengage or write as if I’m addressing the other members of the community who are reading along. Lemmy is still small enough where you can recognize people and develop a reputation so taking the high ground vs toxic people can pay dividends in terms of having other people listen to your opinions.












  • Exactly.

    What the attestation system would do is give some government agency de facto control over which OSs could be installed on phones.

    Right now, using GrapheneOS and being outside of corporate attestation chains just means that you can’t use the NFC payment system. It could very well be that every major commercial service would deny you access if you couldn’t pass an attestation verification via some browser API.

    An example would be if age verification were a thing, they could ‘think of the children’ argue their way into only allowing OSs with age verification systems which are approved by the government to access social media or any website that would be considered 18+.

    EU countries have already tried attacking GrapheneOS as a tool of criminals. It doesn’t seem like much of a stretch to see how they would refuse to allow ‘the criminal OS’ to be part of their attestation chain. Or if chat control passes, only devices that implement the mass surveillance spyware would be allowed to be attested. The government wouldn’t allow non-compliant operating systems to pass their tests.

    The point of an attestation chain is to provide control over which devices are allowed to be verified and to use that verification status to gate access to services.