I agree, yes. I always try to have that conversation, even if the other side seems to be arguing, since at the beginning I am interested in their thoughts and motives, and trying to get them to understand mine. I do enjoy getting people angry though, so at certain point, if they are clearly arguing in bad faith, the calmness becomes a tool, to make them look like morons.

Yes! What is the appeal? Why switch all the time? I just install the OS, tweak everything to work, then let it be. I clearly am not enough of a nerd. My whole Linux adventure started with distros, that were said to be easy for beginners… and I did not move past that, because stuff works?

Sudden moment my profile picture is relevant!

Windows “just works”

Honestly, I cannot understand, who can tolerate Windows 11. It does not even work! Constant bugs, eats memory like a hog, have to uninstall programs when updates itself (so constantly), because automatic re-installs. Every time you reboot, you have to kill several unnecessary background processes it automatically starts, or everything works even more like in tar. On my Surface Pro (Microslop made! Their own product!) the task bar never worked properly, every time there was an update to fix something, something else stopped working. Even the damn desktop broke few times, with random updates. It is a vibe coded piece of garbage.

I have everything I cannot switch to Linux, on Windows 10 - at least that still works. Windows 11 cannot even fill that bare minimum.

Yes, I am sorry! I did not want to point a finger at you, but I messed up. Your comment just happened to remind me of, how I see so many angry answers, and mass-downvoting, everytime I spot one of the thornpeople comments. And it makes me sad! Why do people get so pissed off, over such a minor thing, I do not understand.

I think one doing it said, they do it for style, no idea about others, if there are several. But let them be, we are online, and practically have crawled to hide under a rock here - of course you are going to encounter multiple different type of weirdoes. Writing a bit funny is very low on the list of bothersome things, I have seen people do here. If you get annoyed at the thorns, just stop reading and scroll past. In the long run, creating a negative space with mean comments, just makes things worse for everyone.

//Sorry, I meant “you” in general, I was not trying to aim this at you specifically.

More like pack of humans with spears vs. a single bear.

Perhaps it could have been, your mucuous membranes reacting to the spicyness, rather than having them in your urine itself? Many autoimmune disorders tend to react strongly, to certain eaten things (like spices) - chronic bladder wall inflammation being one of them, for example - so I assume it could be possible, for that sort of reaction, to happen mildly and temporarily, with an excessive exposure like that.

Well, my country’s legislative bunch has already said, that mass surveilance is against our constitution. I doubt Finland is the only country in EU to have that, so even if it passes fully, it is going to have some big hurdles ahead.

I would argue, that orcas are way scarier.

Also, perhaps ironically, because Latin is an agglutinative language, the original “cogito, ergo sum” does not have pronouns either. The -o ending in cogit-o, tells it is “I” who thinks, and “sum” tells it is “I” who is (“being” being completely irregular verb). So it is “(I) think, so (I) am”.

kolmaskommentoija notes strawberry_enjoyer42 can just use strawberry_enjoyer42’s name or some different noun descriptor as a replacement, so no pronouns needed

Luckily I know at least some philosophical basics, so I do think I understand your talking points. (And essentially Descartes’ cogito ergo sum, lead me on this extreme path of epistemological masochism.)

Infinity is actually a very good example I think, that shows us we are perceiving something weirdly. There exist no measurable, conrete infinity in the physical universe, as far as we know; even the space itself has its limits. Yet we understand the concept of infinity, so it exists in some form, in the reality we are perceiving. But then, we can have infinities that are bigger and smaller than each other… the way we are perceiving this is quite paradoxal! Or, at least it appears to us as such.

And be love now, really is a wonderful line of thinking. I fully agree, that it really does not matter, what is the Real Truth or if it exists at all, since all we have is ourselves, right now. If we all focused more on loving and less on all the bad shit, our human realities would definitely improve in multiple ways… but we are flawed beings, so sometimes we can only try… the path towards Good is a difficult one, that I also often struggle with.

Oh yes, I cannot claim I am in any way an expert on antinatalism, nor do I follow their ideology (I mean, I cannot have children, so I guess I technically do…?). I just take their side against efilism, as the latter can be extremely harmless, and I would rather have the still life-respecting antinatalists dominate the discussions about the subjects in question, than let edgy anti-lifers, to gain more visibility and support.

I also appreciate your views, it is an interesting perspective to hear. Would you classify it as panpsycism, or does that focus too much on the consciousness part, in comparison?
I lean more towards just the weird metaphysical ideas, and coil that way to that another side of nihilistic views, where I just do not trust human perception of reality. Everything that exists to us, might be completely flawed, and what we perceive as absolute truths or assign as existing things and concepts (like math, or the concept of a mindl), might not be anything else than our delusions - we are unable to know, anyway. This of course leads to all the problems of impossibility of real knowledge and all that, but as we cannot exist outside our own perceived realities - be it separate beings, or all just one - we are just forced to live in that uncertainty. Everything that exists might be just physical things, our thoughts nothing but electric impulses, and we are just having the perception of them being something else… or maybe that is just delusion as well, too, and we just cannot comprehend what form of existence the reality is, as to us it, is how it is. This way nothing really matters, or more like mattering itself is just a human concept - yet everything inside human perspection still matters, to us.

I think it is actually important to draw the distinction between antinatalism and efilisim. Antinatalisim at its core has the strong idea of how an individual should be able to choose for themselves. That is their whole justification for the thought, that they do not want to have kids, since the kids cannot choose that for themselves. That high value being assigned to personal choice, then, is in direct opposition with the dark goal, where the efilist ideology on the other hand seems to almost unavoidably lead: the idea, that everything should die, and that it should be helped to happen.

Personally I am probably a bit too nihilistic, and perceive, that we humans just tend to assign too much value on thoughts, that only exist in the human experience of reality. Antinatalism sounds like a valid ideology, if you care the most about individual’s right to choose for themself. But there are other things, that people might value more, depending on what they care about.

Oh yes, sadly we have been on a crash course for a long while now, and I do not believe we will correct it either. We should obviously not stop trying, but personally I lost hope, when people around me did not care at all, when I learned about the climate change in the early 2000s, and got really into protecting the environment and all. But I do find some solace in the thought, that life continues, even when we do not.

I don’t actually believe life will cease completely.

I saw some documentary thing, that claimed, that even if a huge asteroid glassed the whole planet, the heat would not be able to reach deep enough, for long enough, to kill all the microbes. So life itself may not die, until this planet is swallowed by the expanding sun. If that makes it feel any better.

You are probably confusing antinatalists and efilists. The antinatalism movement is about not having children, because they perceive it as immoral, as the kids cannot choose being born, and being alive means you are doomed to suffer. That position does not necessarily take stances on what you should do, when you are already alive; that requires some other ideological standpoints. Efilists on the other hand, are the edgy (and dangerous) ones, that think everything would be better as dead.

They will quickly perish in those stupid bunkers anyway. They have no valuable practical skills, and are total assholes. Stuck in a small, closed system, with tons of ordinary people keeping the things running, and with their own greedy “loyal” lackeys… And if they leave the people out, they will die even faster, as things start to fail without skillful mainteinance.

If I tell someone to move their car because they’re blocking the bike lane, I’m not inviting a debate about whether it’s a good idea to have a rule like that.

To be fair, most people doing stuff like that know very well, why the specific rules exist, but do not care, and are intentionally breaking them. In this example, if you have a driving licence, I image in most places they require you learning the rules of traffic, so they can be assumed to already have the knowledge. If they cared about the actual specifics of the reason, they would have asked, when they had to learn about it: thus them demanding answers for the rule on the fly, should also be assumed to be dishonest.
And also in this example, if you are unable to figure out on your own, why you should not endanger bikers, by putting huge metal obstacles, with suddenly opening doors in front of them, means you should not have a driving licence at all.

They always have some reason, they think is good enough for rule breaking - and might be, like some medical emergency or something, but those times would normally be solved with a polite discussion anyway, after the situation allows it - but usually it is just them being selfish morons.