So, it seems like PieFed is becoming a real alternative to lemmy.
What are the differences between these two? From a tech perspective, and also morality/ethics, if you want. Any differences in vision for these services?
Say whatever is on your mind. I want to know.
On which one should we put our weight?
I think it’s rather close minded to reject the jury trials for violations on instances, under clear rules. Moderation, both site wide and in communities, is a big reason half the people are on here. You expect them to shop around to every instance to find ones where their beliefs are in alignment with moderators, and how they could read a disagreement you may have with people on here, that could be misunderstood or taken out of context, or downright wrong?
To say jury trials could be co opted, not if you set it up right, it would be less able to get co-opted as imperious edicts from administrators as you are advocating would be.
Your arguments in favor of censorship always boil down to us trusting the people running the joint. If a drastic step like banning an instance is taken, then it wouldn’t be hard to prove that to a jury of your peers. And other remedies could be available as I said, like hiding their posts under a nsfw with an explanation.
Reasonable people can differ on where to draw the line in banning instaces, as I said you would have to ban the nazis (talk about strawman,) you keep using in your definition, but the majority of conservatives are not nazis. It would be like banning all left groups for tankies that purport to be left.
This kind of thinking is why the fediverse hasn’t taken off. We have all the wrong people in charge, from business to government, to developers of lemmy apparently, and their cheerleaders promoting censorship to protects us from wrongthink, out of a sheer contempt for our intelligence.
You keep calling it censorship like defederation blocks any ability for a user to access the defederated instance. It doesn’t. A user can still visit it directly if they really want to, and they can move to an instance like yours that doesn’t defederate anything if they really want to.
You are very dismissive of admins or moderators who may not want to take on additional moderation load of dealing with nazi bars. Lemm.ee shut down due to admin burnout, moderation load is not a triviality that can be glossed over.
Except on the most popular instances; Sysadmins, admins, and moderators are all putting in a not insignificant amount of effort keeping their servers maintained and updated, removing spam, illegal material, trolls, etc, all without receiving a dime. The fediverse is mostly all volunteer effort. To sustain that effort, you want to make the job of keeping all this going at least somewhat fun.
If you demand that they federate with instances that only bring with it endless trolls, fights, spam, fascist and racist material, it will stop being fun. Coming to the site will feel like a slog, and burnout will crop up quick. This is a studied problem.
Anyone can be in charge of their own instance, you yourself could be the change you want to see. Instead, you seem to dislike the idea that most instances don’t agree with your views on federation, despite the federated nature of the fediverse allowing for the instances you desire to exist. We just don’t want to talk to them.
Do you feel like non-nazi conservatives are not able to use the general instances?
What do you mean federating with instances that bring endless trolls, fights, spam, fascist and racist material? As I responded on a different reply I gave a brief recount of my wandering onto a hexbear post not knowing they were tankies and getting mobbed by like 100 replies, then having some follow me onto other threads for a few weeks. I got suspicious and caught a couple of them and called them on it and they stopped.
My crime, and I thought they were just super politically correct at first incensing me to argue back even more, was saying they are trying to turn us into an eastern style government, where we aren’t allowed to disagree with leaders or policies. Did not understand the vitriol. Really dumb trolling too, lots of moving pictures, gifs, I fucking hate those things. God rot gif givers, with exceptions.
But just being federated with them, their users come onto your threads and talk trash? But if not federated they can’t come onto your threads? What if my instance is federated with them, and your isn’t, and we are all on the same thread on an instance we all are federated on, can they only see my replies and not yours?
idk all the ins and outs. Less censorship is better in my opinion and other options short of blocking whole swaths of users could be employed but yes at a point you have to block them, can’t have nazis, or agent provocateurs could even be used to say illegal things and then try to get the authorities on that instance for not having it removed in time kind of thing. There is a line where you have to censor. I think that line should at least be under clear rules enforced faithfully, and the best way to enforce them faithfully would be for major decisions to be decided by a jury of users. Including decisions to permaban users, especially that.
All of the right-wing instances that were created housed that material and those types of users. Most instances defederated from them because of it. They did not defederate from them because they were John McCain style conservatives who wanted small government and lower taxes, they defederated from them because the admins of those instances allowed and approved of genuinely far-right fascist material and dangerous misinformation being posted there, and their users were often trolls or sealions that would mess with users on other instances.
That is why many instances defederated from Hexbear and Lemmygrad, including my own instance, despite being leftist itself.
Yes, that’s right.
Yes. I would be able to see your replies, but I wouldn’t be able to see the other comments from the defederated instance, nor would they be able to see mine.