Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.
Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated
i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it
Dang and I just made this account too. Time to find a new instance… Any recommendations? How is lemmy.today?
This whole process has looked sus to me. And on top of that, I don’t think voting by up/downvoting the post itself is a good way to call votes — it means a minority can pass a rule without it being even seen by the majority (not sure that matters in this case). Voting should be done in a top-level comment.
Idk, the process looked fine to me. I can’t say I agree with the arguments and the outcome, but it never looked like a bad process.
Up-/Downvotes on a pinned post doesn’t change visibility for instance users.
sh.itjust.works
or go to piefed
The vote was literally pinned instance-wide for a week and it passed with an overwhelming absolute majority, with a majority of comments (of various active and established users) calling for a defed instead of just community bans
Why do you think that?
People might not see the stickied post, for whatever reason. I’m mostly on X hours top, which hides the thread if older than X hours. Or someone could just not use Lemmy for a week. There is no notification or similar, no email alert.
I would argue that this would be the minority of users, not the majority.
Are there stats for how much voting eligible users there are, and how much of them actually vote on governance topics, or see (click on) governance topics?
No
I think I wasnt thinking clearly. sticked posts it doesn’t matter what the up/downvote ratio is, its still gets pushed to all. COrrect?
Yes
I don’t see a reason why you should. It’s not like the vote didn’t happen for good reason. There’s no good reason to speak to genocide apologists.
Its this kind of bad-faith accusative argument that I hate most, from wherever it comes.
I don’t see how it’s bad faith to call an instance that has taken a stance in favor of a genocide "genocide apologist. They are doing genocide apologia. If you aren’t a genocide apologist, you should leave the genocide apologist instance, same as leaving the nazi bar if you aren’t a nazi.
I have not seen evidence that the plurality of that instance is in favor of genocide. Im open to evidence. and ofc maybe I’m just not observant enough. But i have not noticed the majority in favor.
Uh oh, if .ml is defending them db0 really is a lost cause.
Edit: Holy tankie brigade, Batman! They’ve really crawled out of the woodwork for this one!
I am not an ml user and I still defend db0. Now what?
“If ml says genocide is bad, then I support genocide!”
Literally reactionary.
.world user here, I am defending them. Are they a lost cause because they don’t support mass murder or are they are lost cause because they support international justice?
Congratulations, you just earned yourself the “🤡” user tag!
I’m actually a Hexbear user. This is my alt.
People are going to assume this is a joke, lmao.
Yeah to clarify, I wasn’t joking. Hexbear is my main instance.
Did you not read the rules for joining DB0 before you joined. They clearly state a full anti-zionist stance right there.
eyeroll yes. Do you think I support zionism?
No? I hope not, or joining DB0 would be a completely strange action. But you seem to think that their explicit rules on Zionism would not mean that they would act on a zionist-bar-like instance.
You can come to feddit.org, we have mostly normal people instead of armchair internet warriors lol
True! discuss.tchncs.de is also pretty nice. We have a few more communities that feddit has defederated (for good reason, though, not everyone wants pr0n in their main feed :D).
Seeing your political inclinations you may wanna check out nazis.love, zionism.supporters, and netanyahu.net
You people are worse than reddit