Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

  • gigachad@piefed.social
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    3 hours ago

    Me

    […] people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a “Zionist” on Lemmy […]

    You

    It does not make you a Zionist on Lemmy. You are a Zionist in real life.

    Again you

    You said supporting Hamas is antisemitic. Why are you crawling back to the word Zionism now?

    Me
    ???

    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
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      people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism

      This is a Zionist defense of Israel by conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism.

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        I think they’re German, conflating antisemitism with anti-zionism is their favorite excuse for why this genocide will finally be the good one.

        Henry Morgenthau Apology Form. To: Henry Morgenthau. From: Blank. Date: Blank. 6 checkboxs are shown with text besides them: "The media convinced me Germans could be trusted with a state." "I didn't watch the actual war." "I miss the Kingdom of Prussia." "I don't know how much Germans love genocide." "I was jealous of Soviet influnce gains." "Mercury was in retrograde." A checkbox with the text "I will hereby respect Henry Morgenthau and I will NOT talk down on the future first-ballot Hall Of Famer."

        Sadly, this meme remains ever relevant.

      • gigachad@piefed.social
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        I see where you are going. Well, how anti Zionism and antisemitism are interconnected is subject to the current scientific debate and I won’t start a fundamental discussion on this topic with you. What is important for me in the end is, that I am standing against the left that is openly sympathizing with the Hamas.

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          The modern left-right discourse is just so confusing to me.

          I’ve seen authoritarians, supporters of war crimes, and support for terrorism and cruelty, all claimed as leftist positions. I can’t reconcile them with what I thought left-wing values were about.

          I really think we need something with more dimensions to be popularized. The left-right system is just so loaded at this point. I personally can’t identify with either side at all.

          • gigachad@piefed.social
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            Yeah, I absolutely agree. I guess this is one of the reasons these “inter left” discussions are so exhausting.

          • gigachad@piefed.social
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            1 hour ago

            If you don’t want to engage in a civil discussion, that’s alright with me. But if you run out of arguments, just stop commenting?