Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

  • Riverside@reddthat.comEnglish
    31·
    2 hours ago

    Exactly my point, you think you have any moral right to decide in what form and shape the local resistance against Zionism has to take shape, and otherwise it doesnt get your support.

    There are material reasons why Hamas is structured the way it is, and you may not like them or share all their goals, but their primary goal is the liberation of Palestine from Zionism and you should support them in that

    • Pamasich@kbin.earth
      11·
      1 hour ago

      If that’s your point, you replied to the wrong comment of mine earlier.

      When I said “I don’t agree on that claim, no.” I was specifically referring to the claim that I oppose resistance to genocide, period. When in reality I’m opposing the form that resistance is taking, not resistance itself. That’s why I said I don’t agree with the claim made.

      You don’t seem to argue with that fact, you’re just arguing about my actual position. Which isn’t what I was denying.

        • Pamasich@kbin.earth
          1·
          1 hour ago

          You’re really not arguing in good faith, are you? Not supporting hamas doesn’t mean I’m not in favor of resistance against genocide.

          But just to clear this up once more:

          • I am against genocide
          • I support resistance against genocide
          • I still hold resistance groups to certain minimal standards
          • Hamas does not fulfill my standards

          So no, I do not support Hamas. But yes, I do support Palestinian resistance in theory.

          • Riverside@reddthat.comEnglish
            1·
            48 minutes ago

            But yes, I do support Palestinian resistance in theory

            So my point was correct, Hamas is not morally pure enough for your standards, and you don’t support resistance against genocide in practice, which is what matters because that’s the actually existing resistance against genocide.

            Hamas is supposed to be an enlightened leftist organization despite their members being executed, starved and deprived of the most basic resources by the people who threw them out of the lands they used to inhabit. Maybe, just maybe, there are material reasons caused by Israel that make Hamas not conform to your (or my) theoretical ideals?