Still… after more than a decade where some Wired article published the exact same fucking statement about being able to break a moving vehicle and take control of steering. This is old news.
Water is wet, research finds.
No fucking shit
Shocker.
The only secure computer is the one you’re holding the power cord you just yanked out of the back of it, and even then it’s only temporarily secure.
And non connected cars too.
And water is wet.
Some white hat hackers took control of a Jeep Grand Cherokee’s brakes and throttle remotely, like 8 years ago. The only reason to have WiFi or cell service on a vehicle is to let the government kill you lol
Edit: it was ELEVEN years ago
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
Remote hacking infotainment stuff is one thing, but if actual vehicle controls aren’t air-gapped, someone seriously fucked up. All vehicle controls should be strictly local.
They should be, of course- but in more than one case they are not
I think many vehicles still use the old CAN bus that just wasn’t setup with external connectivity in mind. It’s well known that even premium brands often reuse all the same components.
I’ve heard that Tesla were the first to replace this with something closer to a modern network in the cybertruck, of all things.
There was also an investigative reporter driving a Mercedes who died in an odd accident in SoCal in and around then. It was suspicious, but swept away quickly in the news. I remember believing that he was murdered.
Edit: It was Michael Hastings. He had discredited General McChrystal which resulted in his resignation (The Runaway General). “His last story, “Why Democrats Love to Spy On Americans”, was published by BuzzFeed on June 7, 2013.” I love how Wikipedia mentions that his body tested positive for marijuana and methamphetamine, but leaves out that the coroner stated that it did not contribute to the crash. And of course the LAPD stating there was no foul play. Case closed!
I think a similar thing happened to an investigative journalist in DC
Hey not fair eleven years ago was like 2005
Oh yea, I loved that white paper that came out for that because it gave me what I needed to “jailbreak” my old Jeep’s u connect and mod the shit out of it lol
Is anyone actually surprised by this? It’s one of those things that any semi-competent programmer could have told you would be the case. The study just formalizes it and adds specifics.
if it’s a computer, it can be hacked
if it’s connected to the internet, it doubly can be hacked!
If it can be physically connected to, oh boy…
Laughs in old, primitive, disconnected, paid for car
I’m sure that soon it will be illegal to drive a car that isn’t connected.
Only drug dealers and child predators have a need for an untracked car /s
I seriously need a GrapheneMobile
While I’m not surprised, it’s important that empirical research be done and published. It’s needed to bolster calls for regulation. Not that I, for one second, think we’ll get any meaningful regulation out of this in most countries.
Our best bet, as always, is to limit our technologies’ access to the internet as much as we can tolerate. Cars, doorbells, and refrigerators have no business connecting to the internet at all.
I’m heavily conflicted …. I agree, but I really want to not need to agree. A door bell connected to the internet is extremely useful. Current implementations are a nightmare though.
But if it could be secure, private, and the technology actually served the individual in physical proximity “owner” it would be awesome!
I had a car with its own internet connection for a while, I could check my windows were rolled up from my phone, start it from anywhere, get alerts on fuel levels or oil change intervals…. BUT telemetry was used in evil ways against me.
A connected fridge that didn’t spy on you, show ads, or be designed to fail could be really useful. But we know the “business” behind this makes it consumer hostile.
Heck, my washer and dryer wanted to connect to WiFi and it COULD be useful to get an alert on your phone when it’s done but you’re not in its immediate proximity. But we all know giving this thing internet will be a net loss no matter what.
Smart tvs could be neat in concept, but we all know they’re little corporate spys. Watch out for these, especially Roku is apparently requiring internet connectivity for initial setup. Oh, and this is the company that’s got a patent to identify when an hdmi input is paused so they can inject ads.
I’m sad because technology is so cool and should have served us to make life easier. Instead, it has killed the joy. FOSS is helping revive the passion in technology.
So many things should be possible, but “people” went and ruined it for everyone.
Doing it yourself is the only practical way to have those nice conveniences and not expose everything to the Internet.
They will make it illegal to remove it from the internet, I think it long has been illegal to remove the onstar and that was a long time ago, but not sure it’s been 20 years since I think I learned that after seeing a sopranos episode where they paid someone to remove it from their new car.
Remotely enabling heating/cooling of my car so it’s ready when I get to it is just so god damn nice. This is only possible with internet connection, if it’s limited by keyfob range to the vehicle then it may as well not exist.
This really depends on Keyfob range. My current cars tend to be around 50ft, though i haven’t tested it tons past that. Prior to these, I had a Mazda Protégé5 that I could lock/unlock from 300’+ with line of sight. Thats more than enough to start/cool/heat/etc without actually leaving the house.
Honestly, even 50ft is probably fine. Only time I can think of wanting more would be leaving a large venue and wanting it heated/cooled in the parking garage before I got there… but I’d be worried about it being stolen while running at that point.
Where it’s the most beneficial is when I can walk around e.g. a mall and the decide to heat/cool the car before leaving, or coming back from a hike I can start cooling 15min before we arrive at the car so it’s nice and cool when we get there. If I can only start it 300’ feet from the car, I might as well just wait the 30sec it takes to keep walking until I get there, it won’t make a difference.
Edit: for EVs it doesn’t need to start/enable the entire car, it only starts the AC unit.
I mean, yeah? You give anything a connection to a global network with billions of people, and there will always be a chance for it to be exploited. Hell, even my personal OpenVPN instance for remotely accessing my home servers has to fend off attacks.
This is why my next vehicle will be a slate truck. Zero internet connectivity by default, and updates can be done via USB-C from a phone (which can be vetted as needed).
The whole internet of things was a mistake. I say that as one of the biggest tech enthusiasts I know.
Secure software is mathematically possible, but secure engineering is mathematically improbable.
Internet of Things is a terrible no good idea, but Intranet of Things has some potential. Entirely local mesh networks like Zigbee and Z-wave solve most of your problems, doubly so if you properly confine their controllers into their own non Internet routable subnets.
It’s honestly my biggest complaint with the Matter standard, it has Internet bridging baked into the design while the prior standards made that completely optional.
Parts of Iot are great, but not the whole “smart home sending multiple video and microphone feeds to Amazon/Google/Facebook” thing.
The ability to set up remote sensors on critical infrastructure to give early alerts is a benefit.
And it can be done without a cloud connection.
Yes, that’s a great way to put it
WHAT!!???!!
Egads! Evildoers?! On MY Internet??? But how am I supposed to know when my car’s seats are filled with too many farts if it doesn’t have the potential to send a tweet??
