We don’t need cops. In the US they aren’t even obligate to protect you. Just ‘enforce’
Not to mention their racist, warrior-coded and instigative training that they only need like 6 weeks for to carry a gun and end your life with no repercussions.
I have never in my life been in a situation where a police officer did anything but make the situation worse or threatened to ruin my life.
We need to use more common sense and protect our neighbors and communities. Bad actors need not apply to strong networks of local support.
We need police to a degree, it’s just since the crime waves of the late 70s into the 90s politicians used it to stoke The Fear, and it was used to make the police unaccountable, given total discretion and laws allowing them to take down any working person for one reason or another and ruin their life.
We are to trust they use the power wisely, even as cynical malicious politicians and rich people that control them seek to use that police force to further abuse people.
But because of The Fear, which is not enitrely misplaced, even if the system is the one driving the violence underlying it to a large degree, you can’t get rid of police, and you would never get the public support to do so. Even in blue districts, the more experience people have with crime the more they want the police around, people living in the hood in the cities will not support getting rid of the police anymore than folks in the country will.
But we can put controls on them, put their operations back within the boundaries of the Bill of Rights, and common sense and decency, to not write laws so broadly as to give them discretion to charge any person with serious felonies. And to not decide bail on how much money you have in the bank.
Most prosecutors run unopposed, Sheriffs too I bet. City police are unaccountable to those that appoint and oversee them for several reasons, and are often unrepresentative of their communities. They are often rw extremists in blue cities, and there is no reason for fascists coordinating with paramilitary groups in training like counter protesters targeting protests in places like portland and berkely to be running the police departments. Telling the paramilitary groups in training like the proud boys of their movements, of the protesters’ locations, etc. Or arresting the people that defend themselves from those groups but not the victims attacked without cause by those groups.
We could go on, but by electing corrupt local politicians, they can be taken down by the police if they tried to reform them. So as always, getting good leadership is where we would need to act.
There might be mechanisms that render them unnecessary. Let’s say we have an instance with 10 users. If 5 of those users have blocked a spam bot, that block could propagate to the other users as well. Of course that setting should either be opt-in or clearly advertised.
Lemmy mods, at least in Lemmy World, often police the will of the community. If there is a user who much of the community disagrees with, whether they are being abusive or not, they will block them just to maintain the echo chamber. If that’s the kind of society you want, then you definitely need mods.
We don’t need cops. In the US they aren’t even obligate to protect you. Just ‘enforce’
Not to mention their racist, warrior-coded and instigative training that they only need like 6 weeks for to carry a gun and end your life with no repercussions.
I have never in my life been in a situation where a police officer did anything but make the situation worse or threatened to ruin my life.
We need to use more common sense and protect our neighbors and communities. Bad actors need not apply to strong networks of local support.
We need police to a degree, it’s just since the crime waves of the late 70s into the 90s politicians used it to stoke The Fear, and it was used to make the police unaccountable, given total discretion and laws allowing them to take down any working person for one reason or another and ruin their life.
We are to trust they use the power wisely, even as cynical malicious politicians and rich people that control them seek to use that police force to further abuse people.
But because of The Fear, which is not enitrely misplaced, even if the system is the one driving the violence underlying it to a large degree, you can’t get rid of police, and you would never get the public support to do so. Even in blue districts, the more experience people have with crime the more they want the police around, people living in the hood in the cities will not support getting rid of the police anymore than folks in the country will.
But we can put controls on them, put their operations back within the boundaries of the Bill of Rights, and common sense and decency, to not write laws so broadly as to give them discretion to charge any person with serious felonies. And to not decide bail on how much money you have in the bank.
Most prosecutors run unopposed, Sheriffs too I bet. City police are unaccountable to those that appoint and oversee them for several reasons, and are often unrepresentative of their communities. They are often rw extremists in blue cities, and there is no reason for fascists coordinating with paramilitary groups in training like counter protesters targeting protests in places like portland and berkely to be running the police departments. Telling the paramilitary groups in training like the proud boys of their movements, of the protesters’ locations, etc. Or arresting the people that defend themselves from those groups but not the victims attacked without cause by those groups.
We could go on, but by electing corrupt local politicians, they can be taken down by the police if they tried to reform them. So as always, getting good leadership is where we would need to act.
How about on Lemmy? You know, mods
It sounds like your question needs more context.
You’re waffling
You’re arguing in bad faith.
That would be difficult seeing as how I have yet to offer you an argument.
There might be mechanisms that render them unnecessary. Let’s say we have an instance with 10 users. If 5 of those users have blocked a spam bot, that block could propagate to the other users as well. Of course that setting should either be opt-in or clearly advertised.
Pretty good in theory but technically hard to implement, as per usual.
Oh so you tried to implement it. How’d that go?
Indeed, lots of cases to consider.
So a kind of democratically crafted block list. It’s a good idea.
In Lemmy, direct democracy becomes very feasible.
Lemmy mods, at least in Lemmy World, often police the will of the community. If there is a user who much of the community disagrees with, whether they are being abusive or not, they will block them just to maintain the echo chamber. If that’s the kind of society you want, then you definitely need mods.