If you’re already with Linux, this is not for you. This is for people who’re indecisive or been contemplating for long about whether to make that jump.
For me, it’s a matter of a few things. I’m on a Windows 10 version that guarantees me until 2032 of support. That means I would effectively skip Windows 11, like I already mostly have and potentially skip Windows 12 if that turns out to be a shitty choice. I’d be coming in right in time for whatever Microslop shits out for Win13.
Should Windows 13 suck, I think that’s a consideration. Another consideration is when Valve keeps dropping support for certain Windows versions of Steam. Because I know for a fact they will drop Windows 10 support entirely one day and then Windows 11. I believe it is really stupid that they do this.
By the time my Windows 10 version expires, I’d be getting older, which means I’ll probably care less and less about computer-related things. Going to Linux wouldn’t be a problem since I’d be doing barebones things like browsing and checking e-mail.
And I’d also hope that by 2032, Linux would have better development like easier access to proprietary drivers and software among other things.
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I get that there are different Distros and that having options is great, but it’s a double edged sword. It also means that things get more complicated and some get more support than others.
If I commit to Linux then my whole house will switch to that Distro because I don’t have time to figure and support >4 PCs with similar but different OSs.
Autocad - for work
Photoshop - for work
Getting more software companies to support.
Make the terminal easier to use. I don’t use it often but when I do I waste an average of 15min just trying to find a guide or wiki. A help file or built in guide would be nice
Everyone that uses Linux, expects you to be a Linux expert
Steam is great but a native GOG app would be nice. Instead of Herolauncher
Anti cheat support from games
Hardware support. Just finding drivers for peripherals is sometimes more trouble than it’s worth
Generally make it more inviting to new users
More support for WINE and Proton
I’m kinda in the same boat as you I think. Currently still using win10 and waiting it out, till either windows becomes decent or I switch to linux. Currently considering linux because I don’t game as much anymore, but kinda too lazy to switch till something breaks.
It needs to actually work.
No display issues with Nvidia. Working HDR out of the box. The OS and games most pick up the correct resolution both on desktop and running in proton. I need to be able to turn my monitor off and on without having to remove and insert the HDMI.
Same with audio. I need it to correctly detect my HDMI pass through and not need a script to run on boot to pull and grep a changing device id on every fucking update.
Finally I need Bluetooth to not be a total piece of shit and correctly support a controller without latency.
Now, where is the nerd to come screech at me, tell me my issues were fixed a decade ago and that Linux just works perfectly on random hardware and that Linux is so easy an idiot could do it? All the while I spend 40 hours a week on the cli and ide.
Even steam deck has a bunch of issues that nerds will hand wave away.
Sounds like most of your problem is NVIDIA. I don’t have any of that on AMD. But if that’s what you have that’s what you have. I’m not blaming you. Unfortunately NVIDIA (the company) is just not as good about making their stuff work with Linux.
Bluetooth works great for me. At least since I switched from a shitty old Broadcom wireless card to a modern Intel wireless one.
Checks clock. 40m.
So you’re just going to have wave away the other 2/3rd? I get it Nvidia made it a pain in the ass. What excuse for BT, HDMI, and Wi-Fi?
Normal people aren’t going to buy hardware just to use Linux.
Like I said I’m not blaming you. If that’s the reality for you I’m not here to prosthelytize. Maybe you can try again on your next PC if you’re still trying to get away from Windows.
BT
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HDMI
NVIDIA, along with HDMI audio.
WiFi
Not something you mentioned but honestly not something I’ve had a problem with in 5+ years across a lot of hardware. Except this one old Broadcom card that was pulled from a Mac because I wanted to try Hackintoshing (running macOS on a normal PC).
Your HDMI problems are Nvidia’s fault. WIFI I’ve never had problems unless it’s a shitty WIFI card, BT also works, even with my shitty adapter. No noticable latency on a DualSense controller.
Perfection. No notes.
Microslop’s Windows
11Failed projects in a trenchcoat.All my personal PCs and vms are Linux but for work I occasionally need to use a laptop that is on a mangled win 10 ltsc release that’s been gutted of most any dial home shit and returns update choices to the user.
The minute my tools all work on Linux properly that’s getting converted too.
Having the time to dick around and get a linux distro up to my current speed with windows. Or someone else making a distro that mirrors windows 10 capabilities, and utilities (even mundane things like control panel and it’s branches to other settings) and verbose explanations of functionality in the onboard help docs or subtext of options. Or an onboard llm asshole like clippy that can be conversed with om how to accomplish something the linux way.
I think what the linux community misses or forgets is that windows became popular partly because it held people’s hands so much. If linux users want to see the year of linux come to fruition they need to make the distros walk people through a task instead of pointing at the wall and saying “up”.
Conversely I think the linux world says they want everyone to use it but I wonder if they actually want that: everyone using linux means the computing and advertising world pivots and makes linux equivalents of everything, including all the gate keeping, scummy business, malware/adware/tracking…
Your last paragraph nails it. I’m not trying to get the whole world to switch, but I’d be happy to get the like minded peopleout who haven’t switched.
When it stops being a tool that works for me and starts working for corpos, well, then I will be in the minority again.
This topic used to come up all the time on Reddit subs, but this is the first time I can remember seeing it on Lemmy.
Better accessibility. It’s actually gotten worse in the 15 years I’ve known about it.
people dont realize that micrisoft treats accessibility as a first class citizen. no one comes close to windows in accessibility.
Apple is usually cited as the gold standard. VoiceOver even tells you which side the charging port is on when you rotate an iPhone.
For most people? Their friends will have to do it.
Unfortunately, I am forced to use the much hated Adobe Creative Suite. Also, it would take some serious time and effort to break free from the Apple ecosystem. I did start moving certain services away, i.e. email and backup, so that an eventual move in the future is a bit less painful. It‘s a process.
Side note: I’d hope that by 2032, proprietary drivers would be a relic of the past.
I’m a whole lot less computer literate than I was when I attempted it in my 20s, I also really only play some games nowadays and binge watch stupid on YouTube… the computer has become less of my life in my 40s so learning a new system sounds like… work.
Look, to be perfectly honest, I’ve had to do far less “computery” bullshit on Linux. After about six months of everything just working fast and flawless, I realised Windows is the OS that requires a pretty high level of computer literacy. Even installing Linux is a simple and quick breeze compared to Windows.
All it took was a final, “Oh, for fuck’s sake! That’s it! I’m fucking done!” moment. I just didn’t want to do it anymore. Never had one since. Using a computer is a nice thing again.
I 100% recommend Linux for grandparents!
I empathize with this even as a highly computer literate person who works in tech. I turn 40 this year, and when I’m off the clock, I need to read books, touch grass, and live my life as if I don’t know how computers work.
I’ve used old computers for phasing out certain social networks - e.g. I’d block Facebook on my main computers, and only access it on my old laptop. That’s been quite effective. You could do that, and just use Linux Mint or Xubuntu on that old laptop. Very real learning necessary, and you do manage to break it somehow, it’s not a big deal.
I think this is a very valid reason. I used to reinstall Windows every 6 months or so for various reasons, switching to Linux wasn’t any more work. But if you don’t enjoy researching, installing OSs, etc then it’s only ever going to feel like a chore.
Bazzite seems like it would fit perfectly with you then
For me it’s not about whether it is more work or not. It is more along the lines of, tolerating microsoft’s bullshit for any longer. Windows 10 in more ways than one, has teetered me towards the edge of switching. Because I hate stupid mandatory updates, I hate how insultingly stupid it is to use a Windows system these days and every dumb decision Microsoft has made that has turned Windows into what it is and what it will be in the future.
I won’t mind a little work to use my machine, long as it frees me from all of that bullshit.
If the current situation hasn’t gotten you to switch then you’re not gonna switch in 2032. You’ll probably just have some other excuses.
Steam and Xbox games fully playable and functional. So I want to be signed in and able to play with friends, etc.
there is about 10 games that do not work on Linux amd they are require a kernel level anticheat
*spyware
I’m not a huge gamer myself but so far every single game I have tried has worked on Linux with little to no tweaks.
Well the first is already true and the second is never gonna happen.
I would need games to be supported, as well as engineering programs I need like solidworks, ansys, etc
Most games are, but there’s a few asterisks mostly not because Linux is incapable of running it but because there’s super invasive anti-cheac that doesn’t allow it.
Most games have worked for years now
For me, as someone who’s not into esports-games, I just expect games to work on Linux now, and they nearly always do. The exception has been a couple of old or obscure titles that run fine in a virtual machine. I’m not running any fancy version of Linux, just Mint, and the only thing I do to get them to work, is install them on Steam. Proton is amazing.
If you are into esports-games, though, there’s a risk that they’ll require kernel-level anticheat, and Linux does not do that.
What games aren’t supported that you play?
I need games to be supported
SteamOS and steam consoles will be really helpful for this I think
Edit: typo
every distro can run games now
I assume you mean games? If so, yeah I’d love to get into steamos stuff if that’s an option for my pc but it’d have to be like a real os not just geared for gaming. Do you have any info on that
Edit: but tbh I probably can’t because like I said I need my work programs
Steam is amazing on any Intel version of Linux. 95% of games work. It’s not true that you have to use Bazzite or SteamOS to play games, I ran a bunch of No Man’s Sky on Manjaro Linux.
I have a steam deck, which is in console mode most of the time, but seems fully capable of acting as a desktop. The only issue is the fact that it’s console shaped, but that’s no fault of the os.
Whenever I’d have to build a new PC and have seen stuff about whatever current version of Windows would actually negatively impact me in a way I care about. I’m not a tech person or care all that much about whatever problems come from Windows dropping support for Windows 10 unless it just straight up makes my PC explode. My friend upgraded to 11 and hates it, but none of the problems he has with it sounds like things that would actually bug me.
My desktop PC is already running on Linux. I’ve been holding onto my Macbook because I was under the impression that neither Photoshop or DaVinvi Resolve work on Linux but I believe this to no longer be the case so I’ll either switch to Framework at some point or I just go back to using only desktop PC as I don’t exactly take advantage of my laptop’s portability anyway.
Davinci works, tho it tends to be buggy and requires some tinkering to get it working. Really hit and miss. When it comes to photoshop your best bet is running it through wine
Resolve is officially supported on Linux and it’s worked for me fine. The way you’re putting it makes it sound like it only barely works with some hacking or something and that is just not true.
A lack of laziness I suppose. I’ve been using it on and off over the years and have Mint in dual boot right now in preperation for a post-win10 migration, but I’m constantly running into various small/large issues. In the past few years I’ve had issues with wifi drivers, with gpu drivers (f u again nvidia), issues with sleep mode and battery drain, issues with finding equivalent os management tools ( totalcmd, task manager, treeview etc ), issues with “alternative source” games etc. I’ve also had issues wrapping my head around bottles and wine prefixes ( but I will admit wine is an excellent piece of software and has come a looong way since the mid 00s ).
Linux is great if you’re a tinkerer because you will need to tinker with it at some point or another. But as I get older I just can’t be arsed most of the time.
This is pretty much me. If Linux and associated software like Proton were at their current state 10 years ago, I would’ve made the jump by now. At this point, I just can’t be bothered. I work in IT, so I already deal with computer stuff at work, and I really don’t want to tinker with my pc at home as well. I bought some extra storage a few months ago, partially in preparation to try Linux, but have yet to install it.
A trick I hear you can do with Steam is install the Windows app using Wine, then adding it to Steam as a “non-Steam game” to be able to run it in its version of Proton.
