I remember them saying and acting like Iraq was always a place of poor literacy, conflict, and poverty and a stone age culture.
Without ever acknowledging that this was basically the point (which many said in the lead up to the war in 2002) of the Iraq war.
Oh god who let .ml and hexbear into these comments
Muting those instances made Lemmy a lot more pleasant. Highly recommended
And thus, debate is dead, and your cozy bubble is formed. I get banning troll users, but banning a whole instance is a step towards killing what the federation is supposed to stand for.
These people want no debates or opinions they dont agree with… They cant stand it.
They want that bubble because it makes sense to them. The world becomes simple.
There’s a dumb dumb feddit and world user but I actually don’t see any tankie comments here lol
I wish israel will be put in huge gas chamber.
Zionists, the word is zionists.
Also the USA
Why does everyone hate us? We are good people, nice people, nobody should hate us!
Hate the government and the people who support it, not all Americans!
This is the way
We totally never hurt anyone or ever intended yo hurt any.
Its a war of extermination.
Yes but some of them chanted Death to America – completely uncalled for – so what goes around comes around
Those chants were pretty epic. Also they have some nice anti-USA murals like this one:
Gotta admit that mural is pretty fire.
All they are doing is creating generations of future enemies.
but they will be poor and potentially malnutrition and potentially civil warring for the foreseeable future.
At least that seems to be the hope
Bold of you to assume the US and Israel will last generations in their current forms.
The Nazis didn’t create generations of future enemies for Germany.
Gotta love how this is never applied to Hamas, Hezbollah or anyone of the other extremist groups with slogans such as “death to the west”.
Pro-tip: These people hated you before and will hate you after, not because who you are or what you did, but simply because you aren’t them. That’s how it works.
I take some slogans everyday instead of death and destruction.
one thousand new hamas’es, so they can continue to have someone to point to while they do their genocides
The United States of ISISrael
They also bombed the largest factory producing anti-cancer drugs and other medical facilities.
More than 600 schools have also been hit.
The USSA is as bad as the Shitraeli genociders.
Absolute monsters.regardless of what anyone might think of Iran, this is evil
What anyone thinks of Iran should pale in comparison to what they think of the US. Truly the most evil nation since Nazi Germany.
did you forget Russia exists? or China?
You mean the two countries tied for 3rd place in the most evil country competition?
recency bias and the US outsized reputation makes it seem that I’m sure but lol if you think this is true
we’re just more free to complain about it, probably not for much longer though
so if you think it’s bad now buckle up and I say this as a generational casualty of US colonialism
Its not receny bias. The US didnt just turn evil in Jan 2025.
How are are all those black prisoners working in privatised prisons doing by the way?
China has 4 times the population as the US, yet the US still has the largest prison population on Earth.
Slavery never ended in america.
Land of the free my hole. Its literally the least free country on the planet.
who said anything about 2025? even if you want to peg the US evil starting with Nixon (which isn’t perfectly true as we were war profiteering in ww1/2) that’s recent, the US is a baby nation
now you’re just throwing strawman arguments, I don’t support any of this shit the US is currently doing, it’s just stupid to think China hasn’t done worse in the last century, isn’t doing equally evil shit now
Both are bad, neither is worse than the US.
Just going by invasions and regime changes alone the US takes the cake. That’s before you get into the spreading crack into black communities, chemical weapons on civilians, drone strikes on children, ecological destruction, genocide enabling, etc etc.
By numbers US is probably worse but the level of cruelty from Russia is unmatched outside of terrorist organizations
i hate defending the US because it has had more direct bad impact on my life but by measure of lost life i’d still argue modern Russia is worse, and if we lump current China to not even that long ago China the numbers killed are not even close
the scale of China’s population just blows it all out of proportion
Nazi Germany wasn’t even the worst genocide of its time (what a putrid statement though true)
israel hae to make sure they weren’t out evillled (?) be iran
Good way to ensure that whatever regime rises from the ashes will be even more backwards than the last.
I mean, that is their goal.
If anything, I think this will motivate the government to build even more.
Science is also how they can cause such devastation. Maybe all you scientists should stop empowering the assholes who murder people?
Science didn’t put assholes in control. It is the anti science US, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers who put them in.
Hi Ted! Didn’t know they let you have the net in there!
no one is going to put up with you advocating genocide
Correction, that is not Israel’s goal. Israel’s goal is to expand their own territory, and it should never be allowed.
If Israel’s goal was the collapse of the Iranian state then that would be admirable because it’s a horrible fucking state. But, again, it is not.
Thats a cute narrative, but unfortunately it doesn’t align with reality in the slightest-
- Israel gifted the Sinai peninsula to Egypt in return for peace
- Israel attempted to return Gaza to Egypt after the `67 war, Egypt refused to take it back
- Israel attempted to return the West Bank to Jorden after the `67 war, Jordan refused to take it back (aka the “Allon plan”, google it)
- Israel has entered Lebanon multiple times to clear out the PLO and Hezbollah’s forward positions which were attacking Israel. Every single time it has pulled back to international borders once the threat was removed.
- Israel offered the PLO a 2-state solution on 98% of the land it demanded (Gaza/WestBank). PLO declined.
- Israel unilaterally exited Gaza in 2005 and handed it over to the Palestinians to self-govern. The Palestinians immediately used their newfound independence to attack Israel.
All of the above is public history which is a single Google search away. Be better.
That would be a really great argument, if not for the fact that Palestine has been shrinking in land area for decades and that Netanyahu’s regime helped Iran supply funds and weapons to Hamas.
A failed state doesn’t just imply the fall of a government, it refers to a degradation of the conditions of a country such that effective governance by anyone is impossible for a period. Think like has happened in Somalia, or Haiti. I’m not going to claim that the Iranian government is a particularly admirable one, but that kind of condition would be even worse for the people living there, and the chances of that process resting in something significantly better when the country finally recovers again aren’t terribly high.
TBH I think even total anarchy, with roving bands of raiders, might be better than a country that wages war on every neighbor, starves its own people, and kills thousands of protestors in a short time period. The fact that they ally themselves with China is just more on the pile.
True, let’s hope Israel falls into Anarchy. Ah wait, they only starve the people they ethnically clean, are you talking about Israel???
Random fact: Gaza depends on Israel for both its water and electricity. I’ve never found a “genocide believer” who can explain why Israel would continue to provide both if it truly is attempting to commit a genocide.
They realize they have to kill them slow or else other countries will step in. It’s also why they’re fighting tooth and nail against the ICC’s genocide determination, even having VISA and Mastercard blacklist the judge.
Anarchy is not roving bands of raiders. That’s Mad Max you’re thinking of.
Anarchy is a way of living without a hierarchical authority dictating to the people.
It doesn’t have to be, but it certainly can be. I’ll have you know that the roving band of raiders are well read anarcho-communists helpfully enforcing their anti-hierarchical beliefs via a system of rotating shifts of community enforcers of public safety and security, and forcefully redistributing food. It’s just that this specific case happens to involve killing everyone who disagrees with them.
For a moment there I thought you were describing the USA. Except they align with Putin. And kill kidnapped people secretly in concentration camps. But they too like shooting civilians in the streets occasionally.
You won’t hear any complaints from me if you support killing Trump or funding the resistance, as long as that resistance isn’t backed by something worse like China.
That said, even at it’s weakest the state of the USA is leagues above the hardships faced by Iranian civillians.
Nothing is worse than the US.
The US has the worlds largest prison population to facilitate racial slave labour, it covertly medical tests on its people, forces sterilisation on people it deems undesirable, engages in international genocide, promotes fascism and mass murders in foreign lands, and so and so on. It is the most evil, harmful and destructive nation in history.
lmfao
Iran executes gay people and helped Israel (who is also worse than the USA) start a genocide.
The US rapes children and covers it up.
And Iran did not help Israel start a genocide. Fuck off with that “oh they helped Palestinians/Hamas defend themselves, that means they’re responsible for Israel’s genocide” shit take you keep trying to push.
I see they brainwashed you good
Total racist
bombing this institute solves anything how exactly?
You’re arguing with a strawman on that one.
no I’m advocating that attacking institutions of medicine and science runs counter to actually improving anything you claim to care about
these were the people least likely to be a party to the actual Iranian atrocities
i can’t tell if you are just arguing in bad faith, some kid inheriting beliefs from older family members or just not too bright
Oh wow so cool
Except I never defended attacking those institutions? In fact, I condemned Israel for their actions. So you’re literally arguing against a made up person who holds the stances you oppose. You’re basically having a self-argument and forcing me to witness it.
If Israel’s goal was the collapse of the Iranian state then that would be admirable because it’s a horrible fucking state.
pick less inflammatory words then because it reads like you do
So you’re implying that Russia’s attack on Ukraine should have never been allowed as well - but I have yet to see any American 🇺🇸 troups there.
I see their long range missiles there, despite every effort by the compromised Trump admin.
