Obviously, the internet has always been a toxic place, (the phrase “flame war” has been around for decades,) but it seems to have gotten so much worse over the last few years. I used to think decentralization of the internet would fix the worst of it, but Lemmy seems to have gotten worse alongside the rest of internet culture, proving me wrong. How do we fix/improve this culture of toxicity?
.ml,grad,hexbear,dbzer0, andquokk.auAnd you’ll end up with like 3 federated users left which is basically my /all feed now 😑
Identity politics derails everything into a toxic soup.
It sucks that the founders of it thought it would bring ‘justice’ to the world or something, and it just made everything so much worse.
One of the reasons I left my PhD in 2010 was because I could see the tide of ID pol alreadying ruining academia… I never thought it would become mainstream though and that everyone would start thinking that way. Thanks tumblr!
What’s your issue with those instances, he asked quizzically.
My coffee hasn’t kicked in yet, so this is as diplomatic as I can phrase it under current conditions:
Both are entrenched identity politics instances (“aNaRchISM!”) and a good chunk of the calls for violence around here are from users there. You’ll be over here trying to have a rational discussion, and someone from there comes in like the world’s dumbest parrot who can only say “Bawk! Guillotines! Bawk! Luigi”.
dbzer0was aight when it was just the piracy instance, but they’ve shifted more to far left politics and re-federated with Hexbear, so they’re basically Hexbear-lite these days. Quokk turns a complete blind eye (or tacitly endorses) several power users who do nothing but call for violence, doxx, and/or do nothing but spread anarchist propaganda.Thanks for answering!
I don’t have much problem with “anarchists,” altho the term can mean a lot of things, and some of the typical core ideas are pie-in-the-sky to me. I certainly don’t think of tankies as leftist, either, so it’s troublesome that anyone would want to align with Hexbear.
Regardless, bad actors and toxic users will always get the gas face* from me. I’ll keep my eye on that stuff, thank you!
* semi-obscure rap phrase from ~1990 I suppose, i.e. a jaundiced look
they are full of hostile angry people living in alternative version of reality
We are not angry or hostile, we just want to have some freedom and equality in the world.
yeah and you see no issue with murdering people to get it done.
There are people willing to kill you and everyone you love, cause any amount of suffering, and give zero thought for it, just so they can get more power. I don’t mind if those people get deleted
You’re talking about yourself. You are one of those people.
Anarchists believe no one should have power over others
then you shouldn’t believe in violence. violence is power.
you violate your own beliefs.
No idea about quokk, but for db0: from what I read here, the blocking of the tankie triad seems too be pretty effective, so in order to be able to still bother the rest of us, some were looking for alternative servers. And Db0 had the problem of being very open, so they went there. People then complained that more and more db0 users are tankies that can’t discuss faithfully.
Oof. One of my community’s moderators and an FV buddy is also an admin on db0. Absolutely no trace of tankie-ness detected there, as yet.
So far I just haven’t needed to block any particular instance. I just have zero participation with .ML and Hexbear /c’s, and that seems to work just fine. I don’t see any trace of them in my curated feed. I also want to make sure that if their users happen to post / comment in my community project (and they have in the past), I want to be sure I can see them doing that.
Piefed.social is defederated with Hexbear and lemmygrad, so you aren’t exposed to their content or users. Your instance is federated with .ml though.
Ah whoops, I think I remember that now. Thank you.
I also haven’t experienced it myself, so I should have added that I don’t support that view due to my own lack of evidence.
I think alot of users also moved to dbzer0 due to a certain Adobe software community moving there from reddit so I would assume its either a loud minority or the instance was already a dumpsterfire before it grew.
Nonetheless, if its not properly moderated or if the entire purpose and ruling of it creates the issues then it should just be defederated IMO.
Seriously, just block them. It’s not a punishment, it’s a curation tool; you’re allowed to block people who haven’t done anything wrong just because you don’t want to see their content. If you don’t like women’s sports, block me! It’s fine — you should have the social media experience you want, and you can use the block button to get it.
Well fucking said!👏
We really need to grow beyond the idea that blocking is “censorship”. That only (arguably) applies to large centralized platforms. The fediverse allows all voices to speak but it doesn’t force everyone else to listen.
The fediverse gives us huge individual and collective power and we can use it to grow beyond the constraints of the old platforms.
Block and report. We’re all in this together!