Having fucked up social discourse with Twitter and then Bluesky, Jack Dorsey claims he has seen the error of his ways, and definitely won’t do it a third time with his new nonprofit aimed at helping developers build and deploy (OSS or commercial) social media tech built on the Nostr platform (with AI!). Yeesh, I might be biased. Maybe I shouldn’t be writing these summaries.

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    If only someone could invent a distributed open source social media platform, wouldn’t that be great. Then he could spend his time and energy doing something more productive.

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      Nostr really isn’t about the platform, it’s about the simple, platform-agnostic keypair setup that identifies you.

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      There was Secure Scuttblebutt, but it had issues that hindered adoption.

      Nostr does actually seem like a more usable version of it, but the only people I’ve ever seen use it are cryptobros, so it’s got a kind of anti-network effect.

      Edit: Honestly a “SSB2” running over something like Veilid could be real nice, but it’s still early days.

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    At a certain point, people stop telling you “no” and then you end up with a gold nose ring and hippie beard. Dorsey probably hasn’t heard a “no” since 2006

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      These guys are the ones who went to burning man when they were young and it was cool, but kept going, got old, and ruined it for the next generations.

      Makes me sad as a member of the Oregon Gen who missed the heydays of that kind of stuff, but read all about it as it was in its prime.

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      If you tell that that’s a hippie beard in my local metal bar… You might be politely corrected because we are awesome.

      Also, punks and metalheads get beards and rings too.

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    Like it or not, Nostr is the only one that doesn’t tie my identity to a server. I’ve lost several Lemmy accounts during the Reddit migration and I’ve had to subscribe to new instances all over again. Once it’s down, really hard to migrate anything

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      This is the advantage of decentralization over federation. IMHO the fact that Lemmy is only federated really hurts it. Not so much for user accounts (in theory these can be backed up restored and moved. Not ideal but not awful) but in that communities are tied to servers. When the server a community is on goes away it is hugely damaging to that community.

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        lemm.ee leaving made me not want to use this as much and I had 6 different accounts, it was just the main

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      Why is he so hated here? Twitter model is one thing that is kinda fit for global-open-decentralized approaches without much difference for the user. I could never use it, but plenty of people do and seem to have a feeling of hivemind over it.

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        Because the tech he makes is inherently terrible and despite being used in a positive way it is still centralized and ripe for misuse by people like Musk. On top of that the long term feasibility is based on advertising potential to get the funding.

        He says positive stuff most of the time but his actions are the opposite. Blusky is supposed to be decentralized, but the structure as it exists requires it to actually be centralized when implemented. Plus his most recent ‘secure’ thing wasn’t even tested for security issues because he is a hype man who constantly lies.

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        Figure head syndrome. Literally a man with money, otherwise completely unremarkable

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    I feel like nonprofit should come with default quotations nowadays. At this point it’s just a way to avoid taxation during development until you have a feasible route to profitability.

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    Looks like he and Zuck have the same stylist. Anyone know what this look is called, with the oversized tee and chain around his neck?

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    Thank you for the article, it was an interesting read. I don’t think he’ll make anything better than Mastodon or even Bluesky so I won’t try Nostr, but I’ll keep an eye on it. It may be interesting to follow.

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      It’s so “decentralized” that political activists from authoritarian countries get deplatformed on request of the government.

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      He doesn’t like it because it’s the same as twitter according to him.

      Journalists don’t like it because they get called out on bullshit there.

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    I’m not sure he’s the one who fucked it up.

    140 symbols and the whole atmosphere I don’t like, but I have my own fair set of disorders.

    Hashtags are honestly a good idea, just like a social system organized around them.

    Except I probably would prefer that to be similar to modernized Usenet. Actually going to pressure my family members to install Briar, want to start using it, and apparently it has such a functionality. Not sure yet. Anyway, the framework under it (right now Briar itself is the only application, but authors have ambitions) definitely would support such a thing. Maybe I’ll finally have an incentive to learn Android development.

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      I kinda agree Twitter was born of a more innocent age, and he was just a tech kid with a good enough pitch to get Silicon Valley VC. The problem is that he did little to rein in powers that were purposely using the platform for social manipulation. Then – when he already knew better – he went and started Bluesky, which he specifically said was going to counteract all of Twitter’s deficiencies, but capitalism got the better of him, so to make the platform attractive to VCs, advertisers, whatever, his team started to ditch what made Bluesky unique in favor of business tools to help it make money. Business is gonna business, it’s not 100% his fault, but I can’t imagine what will change a 3rd time around.

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        Well, that Bitchat thing of his may (after, eh, fixing a lot of it) turn to be not so bad.

        Though I went to the Briar site, and apparently it’s not just Briar, but also a framework for virtually everything communications-wise offline-enabled.

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        I dunno, Java to native code compilers exist. Maybe one can compile Bramble into that with some interface wrapper, and then use it under iOS, but I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about.