• Darren@sopuli.xyz
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    23 hours ago

    In fairness to Jobs, he may have been an arsehole, but he was also an incredible salesman who knew what his customers wanted.

    I’m old enough to remember how genuinely captivating his product presentations could be. The shit that Apple pre-records these days is worthless by comparison.

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      23 hours ago

      Sure, he was a good salesman, but any perception that he was the idea man was a deliberately cultivated lie. Woz had all the actually good ideas early on, then later it was other engineers.

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        14 hours ago

        I always thought the “ideas” he got credit for were in domains like design and customer experience, not necessarily technical engineering.

        That’s at least among people that know some minimal information about him. I imagine that the huge numbers of normie folks who don’t pay attention to phones unless they’re buying one either don’t know who he is or would just fall back to assuming the superficial public visionary genius image is accurate.

        But that’s how our culture and media are designed to condition regular folks to accept our leaders as our betters. I mean who cares if some dark triad personality motherfucker is a monster to their own family just as much as their employees as long as the make money and create success*!

        • success = money
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        23 hours ago

        It isn’t enough to have good ideas if you can’t persuade someone to buy them.

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          14 hours ago

          That only makes sense if you assume the only purpose of ideas is to turn them into profit.

          Many of my great ideas COST me money, but I still end up better off afterwards.

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            11 hours ago

            I mean, if your aim as a business is to make money from your ideas, then yeah…

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          22 hours ago

          A) I don’t agree, and B) that’s not really relevant or incompatible with what I said.