So, I don’t know your ex, and I’m not commenting on her. I don’t know your circumstances.
I do know old fandom people who chose Slytherin as their house.
The choice of Slytherin in fandom is more complicated than it sounds, esp. since when the books were at their height of popularity, the wizard/white supremacy undertones of the books were taken more in a “oh, here’s yet another basic black and white symbol from the author of why the bag guys are extra bad” rather than the actual problem we have on our hands 25 years later. (And fuck the assholes who decided to make it a problem relevant to current events. Fuck them with a rusty saw.)
People who actually have a pretty strong moral compass that’s compassionate and inclusive often ended up self-catagorizing as Slytherin back in the day, because in real life what happens is that if you’re gay/bi/trans/whatever growing up in a conservative household, or an intellectual, or dealing with ADHD or autism or the like, and living in a conservative household, you’re basically turned into the black sheep of the family through family presure.
Like, you’re pressured to not be a smarty pants, pressured to be neurotypical, pressured to not be a “sinner” that is “choosing” to be gay or trans or whatever. And in that era (late 90s, early 2000s) you’d often also be bullied at school for the same things, by the local popular/jock type people. And that type in the books is Gryffindor. And Rowling even has Harry’s parent’s generation bullying Snape as canon.
(Rowling is actually a pretty good MIMIC of human behavior, but from her words and actions recently I can see she doesn’t actually understand much of what she writes about. She’s like a lyrebird, adeptly matching a sound she heard without being able to understand what’s going on on the human side of things. So she writes characters that are vivid, but she sucks donkey balls when trying to get the psychology underneath and the morality beneath right.)
Anyway. So Snape (or Draco) and Slytherin was sometimes more comfortable for people actually already being outcast in real life. Because growing up poor in a shit home with an abusive dad and being bullied in school too was something a number of fans lived themselves.
The thing is, conservative households happily persecute the smarter/more empathic members in their family and drive them away. And thus some of those people end up as goths or punks or involved in similar communities, and Slytherin is closest to that. So you end up with people dressing in black, but still being more accepting of people who are different or strange than the people trotting around with crosses on their chest or wearing more traditional styles.
Interestingly, I’ve recently had some experiences which had me mingling with a different social class than I usually do, and I realized there’s two types of tatted up people. There’s the nerdy, arty intellectual types–band kids, librarians, writers, etc–and there’s folks with criminal or addiction histories. But “normal” people see tats or whatever and throw both types into the same bucket.
But because Harry Potter was a nerd fandom, I always assumed any fan I interacted with was probably an intellectual (because why would people not into books get into a book fandom?) and thus them picking Slytherin probably meant they went through some sort of shit at home.
But maybe the fandom got big enough to break boundaries and get enough non-book fans that that’s no longer a great assumption. I haven’t been in the fandom for at least 15 years, closer to 20, so ::shrug:: I would be suspicious of a NEW fan selecting Slytherin, but not an old-school fan unless they had other behavior that was off.
Just gonna add to your point but with a slightly different factor. Fanfiction, the Harry Potter fandom had a massive chunk that was almost entirely devoted to fanfiction from smut to viscous deconstruction it existed. This means that folks may have legit grown to respect fanfiction Slytherin and to a degree forgotten about the book/movie version because they were exposed to an entirely different interpretation.
Also for those who don’t believe me go to A03, Fanfiction dot net, or fuck even space battle forums and look at the sheer numbers. It’s right fucken absurd to a degree, ain’t judging I’m a bitch for star wars fanfics but still it’s easy to forget just how big that section of the Harry Potter fandom was.
I should also say I grew up in a very progressive household. Both parents were amazing teachers.
So credit where it’s due.
Yes I was asexual and neurodivergent with my adhd. I had amazing parents which is why I’m so bold with my “fuck that I’ll fight you!” Griffendor mentality. I’ll shove my adhd right down someone’s throat and be disgusted at their bodily fluids the whole time! Tell me I won’t! GRIFENDOR!
We are actually good friends. We hate each other but we got a kid. When I was having a mental health crisis i called her. We she had one she called me.
I’m currently angry at her but she’s not a demon. I’m just venting. She’s a wonderful mother and a crappy wife. I’m also a crappy husband.
Child support is always on time and we’ve never needed to go to court about anything. We just handled it her and I.
I’m dunking on a good friend who temporarily has me annoyed.
On to the wizarding world.
I’m asexual (probably why marriage was hard for me lol) and have adhd so severe I was in training videos.
I was also right in the age range when the books came out. I loved them.
You still pick griffendor. Obviously! They are everything slytherin has but by choice and they are nice about it!
Griffendor is essentially “I’m a slytherin but I want more. Life should matter. I should fight”
Did other people not get the same message from the books?
I got that slytherin were clever, self centered, morally deficient, but effective. Whereas griffendor were brave, selfless, strong of character. Ravenclaw had the brains. And hufflepuff were the stupid tools.
I suppose. Just like the ravenclaws are supposed to be super smart but they don’t seem to contribute much on figuring important things out. It was always just a setup to make the gryfendors win every fucking time.
So, I don’t know your ex, and I’m not commenting on her. I don’t know your circumstances.
I do know old fandom people who chose Slytherin as their house.
The choice of Slytherin in fandom is more complicated than it sounds, esp. since when the books were at their height of popularity, the wizard/white supremacy undertones of the books were taken more in a “oh, here’s yet another basic black and white symbol from the author of why the bag guys are extra bad” rather than the actual problem we have on our hands 25 years later. (And fuck the assholes who decided to make it a problem relevant to current events. Fuck them with a rusty saw.)
People who actually have a pretty strong moral compass that’s compassionate and inclusive often ended up self-catagorizing as Slytherin back in the day, because in real life what happens is that if you’re gay/bi/trans/whatever growing up in a conservative household, or an intellectual, or dealing with ADHD or autism or the like, and living in a conservative household, you’re basically turned into the black sheep of the family through family presure.
Like, you’re pressured to not be a smarty pants, pressured to be neurotypical, pressured to not be a “sinner” that is “choosing” to be gay or trans or whatever. And in that era (late 90s, early 2000s) you’d often also be bullied at school for the same things, by the local popular/jock type people. And that type in the books is Gryffindor. And Rowling even has Harry’s parent’s generation bullying Snape as canon.
(Rowling is actually a pretty good MIMIC of human behavior, but from her words and actions recently I can see she doesn’t actually understand much of what she writes about. She’s like a lyrebird, adeptly matching a sound she heard without being able to understand what’s going on on the human side of things. So she writes characters that are vivid, but she sucks donkey balls when trying to get the psychology underneath and the morality beneath right.)
Anyway. So Snape (or Draco) and Slytherin was sometimes more comfortable for people actually already being outcast in real life. Because growing up poor in a shit home with an abusive dad and being bullied in school too was something a number of fans lived themselves.
The thing is, conservative households happily persecute the smarter/more empathic members in their family and drive them away. And thus some of those people end up as goths or punks or involved in similar communities, and Slytherin is closest to that. So you end up with people dressing in black, but still being more accepting of people who are different or strange than the people trotting around with crosses on their chest or wearing more traditional styles.
Interestingly, I’ve recently had some experiences which had me mingling with a different social class than I usually do, and I realized there’s two types of tatted up people. There’s the nerdy, arty intellectual types–band kids, librarians, writers, etc–and there’s folks with criminal or addiction histories. But “normal” people see tats or whatever and throw both types into the same bucket.
But because Harry Potter was a nerd fandom, I always assumed any fan I interacted with was probably an intellectual (because why would people not into books get into a book fandom?) and thus them picking Slytherin probably meant they went through some sort of shit at home.
But maybe the fandom got big enough to break boundaries and get enough non-book fans that that’s no longer a great assumption. I haven’t been in the fandom for at least 15 years, closer to 20, so ::shrug:: I would be suspicious of a NEW fan selecting Slytherin, but not an old-school fan unless they had other behavior that was off.
Just gonna add to your point but with a slightly different factor. Fanfiction, the Harry Potter fandom had a massive chunk that was almost entirely devoted to fanfiction from smut to viscous deconstruction it existed. This means that folks may have legit grown to respect fanfiction Slytherin and to a degree forgotten about the book/movie version because they were exposed to an entirely different interpretation.
Also for those who don’t believe me go to A03, Fanfiction dot net, or fuck even space battle forums and look at the sheer numbers. It’s right fucken absurd to a degree, ain’t judging I’m a bitch for star wars fanfics but still it’s easy to forget just how big that section of the Harry Potter fandom was.
I should also say I grew up in a very progressive household. Both parents were amazing teachers.
So credit where it’s due.
Yes I was asexual and neurodivergent with my adhd. I had amazing parents which is why I’m so bold with my “fuck that I’ll fight you!” Griffendor mentality. I’ll shove my adhd right down someone’s throat and be disgusted at their bodily fluids the whole time! Tell me I won’t! GRIFENDOR!
We are actually good friends. We hate each other but we got a kid. When I was having a mental health crisis i called her. We she had one she called me.
I’m currently angry at her but she’s not a demon. I’m just venting. She’s a wonderful mother and a crappy wife. I’m also a crappy husband.
Child support is always on time and we’ve never needed to go to court about anything. We just handled it her and I.
I’m dunking on a good friend who temporarily has me annoyed.
On to the wizarding world.
I’m asexual (probably why marriage was hard for me lol) and have adhd so severe I was in training videos.
I was also right in the age range when the books came out. I loved them.
You still pick griffendor. Obviously! They are everything slytherin has but by choice and they are nice about it!
Griffendor is essentially “I’m a slytherin but I want more. Life should matter. I should fight”
Did other people not get the same message from the books?
I got that slytherin were clever, self centered, morally deficient, but effective. Whereas griffendor were brave, selfless, strong of character. Ravenclaw had the brains. And hufflepuff were the stupid tools.
Did you get that slytherin was effective? The seem to completely and always fail.
I suppose. Just like the ravenclaws are supposed to be super smart but they don’t seem to contribute much on figuring important things out. It was always just a setup to make the gryfendors win every fucking time.
I was fourteen and wanted to be a slytherin because i was edgy lol. eventually settled on hufflepuff before jk went ballistic