They are good at social manipulation and compartmentalization.
The programmers are similarly morally bankrupt, as they’re implementing the enshitification of the worst people, the business people who make the shitty decisions both implement.
Programmers can also create non-enshittified solutions in their off time and release it publicly for free and many do. What good can a marketer do for the world?
Fucking nothing. Marketing is just another word for propaganda. Fuck em.
Programmers can also create non-enshittified solutions in their off time and release it publicly for free and many do.
It’s a nice idea, but what that ultimately boils down to, is horrible to use programs with barely any support because people (reasonably) don’t have the time or support to give them the full beans.
They also result in programs that are basically only made for their users, and that, to everyone else are some weird esoteric programs with outlandish UX.
Like I like open source as much as the next guy, but open source software is not fixing the enshitification of society, especially as devices take away more and more user autonomy. These are bandaid solutions that allow the power users most equipped to make arguments against the hostile enshitification takeover to bury their heads in the sand as they scurry to stay alive, squeezing between the cracks, increasingly having to give up in more and more areas as solutions take more and more focus to keep alive.
Also, more than that, how many programmers actually are doing this? I’d say it’s a rare occurrence.
What good can a marketer do for the world?
Activism. They communicate and convince people, so activism is an area where they could help the world if they so chose.
I must disagree with you there. I get more support from the open source community and their things than I do from commercial stuff. Commercial pretends to offer support that isn’t actually there in 2025. They just have call centers that tell you to reboot and then escalate, which basically turns into stalling until you figure it out yourself.
When was the last time you got support for a Google product? What about Microsoft? Apple? Apple used to have decent support but it’s all the same offshored nonsense that the others have now. Hearing “I don’t know” in an Indian accent isn’t support. Microsoft is the worst of the bunch. They have an entire industry set up with people saying you can get support in their ecosystem but it’s all third parties pointing at eachother and no one taking any responsibility.
If it makes you feel better (read worse) my company buys around 500,000 chips a year, and we’re still effectively in the same support tier as an individual user.
I’ve pushed for chips with upstream Linux kernel support, even though they’re more expensive, because it’s so bad with proprietary software
Might want to point out doing so now will insulate your company from the shock of being forced to migrate down the road. The entire industry is throwing money into AI in the foreground, while in the background they are preparing their transition away once it explodes and takes titans down.
Everyone outside the US is moving away from the proprietary model.
It is genuinely shocking how computer illiterate marketing people tend to be.
There’s a reason they have marketing jobs.
They are good at social manipulation and compartmentalization.
The programmers are similarly morally bankrupt, as they’re implementing the enshitification of the worst people, the business people who make the shitty decisions both implement.
Programmers can also create non-enshittified solutions in their off time and release it publicly for free and many do. What good can a marketer do for the world?
Fucking nothing. Marketing is just another word for propaganda. Fuck em.
It’s a nice idea, but what that ultimately boils down to, is horrible to use programs with barely any support because people (reasonably) don’t have the time or support to give them the full beans.
They also result in programs that are basically only made for their users, and that, to everyone else are some weird esoteric programs with outlandish UX.
Like I like open source as much as the next guy, but open source software is not fixing the enshitification of society, especially as devices take away more and more user autonomy. These are bandaid solutions that allow the power users most equipped to make arguments against the hostile enshitification takeover to bury their heads in the sand as they scurry to stay alive, squeezing between the cracks, increasingly having to give up in more and more areas as solutions take more and more focus to keep alive.
Also, more than that, how many programmers actually are doing this? I’d say it’s a rare occurrence.
Activism. They communicate and convince people, so activism is an area where they could help the world if they so chose.
I must disagree with you there. I get more support from the open source community and their things than I do from commercial stuff. Commercial pretends to offer support that isn’t actually there in 2025. They just have call centers that tell you to reboot and then escalate, which basically turns into stalling until you figure it out yourself.
When was the last time you got support for a Google product? What about Microsoft? Apple? Apple used to have decent support but it’s all the same offshored nonsense that the others have now. Hearing “I don’t know” in an Indian accent isn’t support. Microsoft is the worst of the bunch. They have an entire industry set up with people saying you can get support in their ecosystem but it’s all third parties pointing at eachother and no one taking any responsibility.
If it makes you feel better (read worse) my company buys around 500,000 chips a year, and we’re still effectively in the same support tier as an individual user.
I’ve pushed for chips with upstream Linux kernel support, even though they’re more expensive, because it’s so bad with proprietary software
Might want to point out doing so now will insulate your company from the shock of being forced to migrate down the road. The entire industry is throwing money into AI in the foreground, while in the background they are preparing their transition away once it explodes and takes titans down.
Everyone outside the US is moving away from the proprietary model.
Well, I dont want to lie for a salary, so im also bad at marketing.