Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.

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    Billionaires exist in China because China participates in markets and has some degree of private property. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and China isn’t imperialist. These are all true, and requires simply looking at the facts at hand to recognize. China has not failed to live up to their stated beliefs, you simply don’t actually know what their stated beliefs are because you’re arguing against learning.

    China is indeed a real place with real problems. These problems are not the ones you think they are, because you focus on your own imagination to fill in the gaps in your knowledge rather than studying the real systems. This is why leftists advocate study, investigation, and learning over simply relying on instinct and vulgar empiricism alone.

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      If not imperialist, why imperialism shaped? I don’t care if their ideology is different, they’re doing exactly the same thing! Belts and roads are literally loans and investments, there is nothing you can say that changes that fact

      Private ownership? That doesn’t explain away anything!

      There are no billionaires without mass explotation. Period.

      You’re just describing a flavor of capitalism. China has a system of controlled capitalism. It’s a different flavor, it seems like it’s a better flavor that I’d like to try, but it’s still capitalism

      You’re jumping through some crazy hoops there when it’s just not that complicated.

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        It isn’t imperialism shaped. There’s no unequal exchange going on, no underdevelopment, no forced hegemony. The ideology being different helps, but the reason it isn’t imperialism is because there’s no imperialism. Loans and investments are not inherently imperialism.

        Yes, there are no billionaires without mass exploitation, correct. This doesn’t mean China isn’t socialist or that it’s imperialist. China isn’t capitalist because public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the working classes are in charge of the state, over what capitalists there are in China.

        I’m not jumping through hoops, you just don’t know what China’s system is, what imperialism is, nor what socialism is, because you’re arguing that studying any of these is a waste of time.