• utopiah@lemmy.world
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    OK you can hate HOMEwork and instead do everything at school or work, namely study there, but what genuinely matters for studying is that you DO do the work. You have to do the exercises, over and over again, more and more challenging, otherwise nothing gets through. You only get the “feeling” of understanding without getting the practice.

    Learning without practice is like being a theoretical athlete. Hate homework all you want but learn to love studying by doing.

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    I really do not like homework for little kids, they are in school 8 hours, that’s time for a study hall and recess, they aren’t going to forget how to read overnight, and don’t have enough free time as it stands now. So much of what little kids need is time to develop, not just academic instruction.

    From 12 yo or so, sure, but school should be fewer hours then, like college, classes for lecture and questions, and work done outside class. 2 of mine had high schools that worked like that, with a long study hall period because school district mandates on campus time, and those two were the most successful in college, and so far also in career.

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    Nah homework is how you create discipline in kids. So they learn how to do things on their own, plan and focus on things without constantly having an authoritarian figure watching them.

    It’s why the smartest kids who never had to do homework or prep often struggle when they go to university where they have to read entire chapters to prepare for every class. Because they lack the discipline to plan and focus.

    And even outside work life there are plenty of things where an adult needs discipline and planning skills to live a successful life.

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      This is 100% true. I was fantastic at school. I could read the book and just remember it all when it came time for class and crushed every q&a, quiz, assessment or test offered to us at every stage.

      When I got to college I found the hardest part to be committing to the work since so little of it could be done in class. I still did pretty okay in college because most of it seemed to just be an assessment of what you knew and could do in the moment, but I definitely struggled with time management having never built up the skills necessary to study or knuckle down for a couple of days to cram.

      Where it hit most was with foreign language and computer science classes. My Japanese is shit, but I was able to fall back on my obsession with electronics to make a career out of computer science.

      I got really fucking lucky I think, because I did well in school but I was not very good at it. I know plenty of people that didn’t get the GPA I did or have all AP classes that are currently doing extremely well for themselves because they learned one of the more important skills you can learn in school, discipline.

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      Too bad more often than not the kids that actually do homework do it only if their parents sit down with them every night to do it together

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    We can definitely agree to collectively come together and assess every now and then if the best methods we decided last time are still good enough. Tweak stuff as we learn more. The workload to learning ratio can definitely change for homeworks.

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    Please, education is important. Cutting education and anti-intellectualism is are what helped fascists get in power

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      Education is important, reviewing previously learned stuff is important…but homework as a system does absolutely create a situation where kids are spending unbounded time outside of school on schoolwork. Practically, it’s way the fuck too much. IMO school time, like work time, should be bounded.

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          Well…I think the “home” part of homework is also a problem. IMO we should really do review work at school or in some non-home space, and non-recreation time.

          Like the 8 hour work day was supposed to be 8 hours work, 8 hours rest, and 8 hours recreation. School + homework + transit regularly exceeds the 8 hours. (And 8 hours work is way too much, we should be working wildly less with the incredible technologies that have been developed since the 8 hours work day concept was created.)

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    I work exactly the same hours when i work from home as when I work at the office. The only difference is the 90 minute commute on office days.

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      I’d say that I probably “work” more hours from home. At work if I get so tired I zone out and am fighting to stay conscious, that cycle of trying to stay awake, trying to focus, going for a walk, getting coffee, can all put a 2 or 3 hr whole in my day. At home, I will set a 15min timer on my phone and then go crash on the couch (just comfortable enough for a nap, but not for a long sleep). Even on rare days when I am really wrecked, after 45 min I am ready to focus and get back to work. Additionally, since I don’t have a deadline to beat traffic, and I take naps whenever I need, if I am focused and in the flow, I don’t just stop working at the end of the day. I ride that focus and flow to its natural fall off. Whereas if I am commuting, when my alarm goes off, I am done and out of the building like a god damn ninja.

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    Homework was a reinforcement exercise meant to turn the short term memory of what you learned that day into long term memory which could be remembered for years to come.

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      I never did my homework and was able to retain almost everything I was taught in class. The main issue with that is basically everything taught to my classmates and I outside of English and math turned out to be wrong as science and history and such learned more over time. Like how none of my favorite dinosaurs were even real; they just made shit up with different bones.

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        Our understanding of science constantly changes as we learn new things. Do you think we shouldn’t teach kids science because we might learn something new that shows what we used to know was wrong?

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        Cool story. Literally none of it worth listening in a meaningful way, but you have seeming not retained how science, stats, and studies work.

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        Understandable. My feelings with homework is that it is an exercise. In college/university it was optional for us. Didn’t effect your grade, it was recommended review essentially. Aka if you aren’t sure you know what you need to know, so look at this if you wanr. If you’d struggle, study. If you don’t. Ignore it.

        Unfortunately telling 8 year olds some people don’t need to do homework, doesn’t roll over as smoothly.

        “You can’t spell read Jimmy, you keep writing reed; which makes you sound dumber than you are” doesn’t work well as a response

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    lol professions often require you constantly be reviewing and keeping up to date with meaningful changes in the field

    Real life may actually require you to keep on learning 🫨

    I swear it feels like people genuinely want the wall-e chairs

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      Not opposing education in any way. But I wish it serves the purpose of welfare for good people and not to work under any pedo.

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      I do want the Wall-E chairs, but I would never actually accept them. It’s like how I want a 20-liter bucket of fettuccine Alfredo, but I would never accept and eat one.

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        Are you sure you’re not confusing what a want is with something that you don’t want?

        For example you actually don’t want a wall-e chair because you would never actually accept one. Similarly, you don’t actually want a 20-liter bucket of fettuccine Alfredo because, again, you would never accept it.

        A want is something you’d actually like to have so if you wouldn’t accept it that sounds like something you don’t want to have…

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          I want a world where I can use those things without doing irreparable damage to my body and mind. I can fantasize about them when divorced from the practicalities.

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            Even if we removed the health effects…sitting in a wall-e chair chugging Alfredo sauce is being irreparably damaged in body and mind

            You can also just do that already by staring at your phone all day and eating processed food

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    It depends on the subject and what you’re studying. Many subjects are like learning the piano - if the only time you practice is when you’re having your lesson with your teacher, you will never develop real competence or improve beyond a surface level. That said, everyone needs different levels of reinforcement, and the one that’s picked by a teacher is often arbitrary both in focus and in timing, so if an individual student has a more optimal way of doing their own reinforcement, they should be encouraged in that.

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      I mean that’s true except most kids (and probably their parents) also don’t know the “more optimal way” that suits the kid and will just opt to do less work. Most people are pretty bad at learning and retention as evidenced by, well, talking to people in public.

      You could make the argument that that people got that away because teachers don’t get “optimal learning” either, which is a position I would support. However, I don’t think kids and parents choosing “always do less” is gonna fix it.

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    Why the hate on WFH? You get to do your regular job, but in the comfort of your own home and the added benefit of not spending time on transport to/from the office.

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        That’s a you thing, I haven’t had my home lose its „hole appeal“ after years of it.

        I have been 100% wfh for like 4 years and I dread the day I need to start looking for a new job, cuz I’ll inevitably have to go back into the office again.

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        Fair enough, WFH is obviously not for you then, good thing for you then that no one is forcing people to WFH these days, quite the contrary.