As a GNOME user since forever, I find it fascinating how much time KDE users spend thinking about GNOME. They seem so obsessed with customization, yet seem incapable of understanding that people could have preferences different from their own.
Oh yes, I forgot about that time they tracked down and kidnapped KDE contributors never to be heard of again, depriving the poor FOSS community from their freedom of choice.
When I use KDE apps in GNOME they also look like KDE apps. Obviously - that’s the way they are made. If I want something else than what someone else created I will use something else, not complain about how they didn’t create it the way I personally prefer.
I’m under the crazy opinion that developers are free to develop whatever they want, and users are free to use whatever they want. If they are unhappy they can use something else or become developers.
If I develop something you do not want to use I do not restrict your freedom. GNOME developers are not restricting your freedom by creating a product that’s according to my preferences. They are giving us both freedom to choose what we prefer. The fact that GNOME is so different from KDE increases freedom of choice.
Just want to remind everyone that the point of this scene is that Draper is an unstable and insecure man that is actually obsessed about how everyone around him are perceiving him, all the time. So this line is just stupid bravado, because he thinks the phrase projects the image he wants others to have of himself. He is lying because he actually thinks about what others think of him constantly. He works in advertising ffs.
Maybe if gnome’s choices didn’t impact the part of the ecosystem that do not rely on gnome in any way, people would be less disgruntled about gnome. For example, the refusal of gnome devs to support server side decorations, forces app devs to implement client side decorations even when they design apps that don’t make use of the features enabled by client side decorations.
I don’t care if people use gnome, people should be free to use what they prefer. I do care if the mere fact that gnome exists complicates app development because gnome devs seem incapable of understanding that people could have preferences different from their own.
As both a Cinnamon and KDE user, you can tell you’re using an app made for Gnome because it either outright doesn’t do anything, or it does the barest least nuanced most stereotypical version of that thing. Oh great, another empty fuckpuke window that doesn’t respect the system theme with an empty hamburger menu and one button in the very top-left that says “Do Something”.
I don’t know of a package manager with a GTK filter.
I don’t know of a package manager with a GTK filter.
This I could agree with, but the problem here is a lacking feature in package managers, not the fact that apps that you don’t personally enjoy using exist.
I don’t particularly enjoy using KDE apps, but thankfully the K-centric naming convention make them really easy to avoid.
As a GNOME user since forever, I find it fascinating how much time KDE users spend thinking about GNOME. They seem so obsessed with customization, yet seem incapable of understanding that people could have preferences different from their own.
Perfect description of Gnome developers.
And that’s why they’re so out of touch.
Oh yes, I forgot about that time they tracked down and kidnapped KDE contributors never to be heard of again, depriving the poor FOSS community from their freedom of choice.
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So apps look the way they are made?
When I use KDE apps in GNOME they also look like KDE apps. Obviously - that’s the way they are made. If I want something else than what someone else created I will use something else, not complain about how they didn’t create it the way I personally prefer.
Lmao you hyperbole’d your own statement quoted back at you.
Or have there been cases of KDE preferers/devs doing this to gnome preferers/devs?
I was talking about users, not developers.
I’m under the crazy opinion that developers are free to develop whatever they want, and users are free to use whatever they want. If they are unhappy they can use something else or become developers.
If I develop something you do not want to use I do not restrict your freedom. GNOME developers are not restricting your freedom by creating a product that’s according to my preferences. They are giving us both freedom to choose what we prefer. The fact that GNOME is so different from KDE increases freedom of choice.
I don’t get what is so hard to understand here.
Just want to remind everyone that the point of this scene is that Draper is an unstable and insecure man that is actually obsessed about how everyone around him are perceiving him, all the time. So this line is just stupid bravado, because he thinks the phrase projects the image he wants others to have of himself. He is lying because he actually thinks about what others think of him constantly. He works in advertising ffs.
Maybe if gnome’s choices didn’t impact the part of the ecosystem that do not rely on gnome in any way, people would be less disgruntled about gnome. For example, the refusal of gnome devs to support server side decorations, forces app devs to implement client side decorations even when they design apps that don’t make use of the features enabled by client side decorations.
I don’t care if people use gnome, people should be free to use what they prefer. I do care if the mere fact that gnome exists complicates app development because gnome devs seem incapable of understanding that people could have preferences different from their own.
As both a Cinnamon and KDE user, you can tell you’re using an app made for Gnome because it either outright doesn’t do anything, or it does the barest least nuanced most stereotypical version of that thing. Oh great, another empty fuckpuke window that doesn’t respect the system theme with an empty hamburger menu and one button in the very top-left that says “Do Something”.
I don’t know of a package manager with a GTK filter.
This I could agree with, but the problem here is a lacking feature in package managers, not the fact that apps that you don’t personally enjoy using exist.
I don’t particularly enjoy using KDE apps, but thankfully the K-centric naming convention make them really easy to avoid.
We don’t, except for when gnome is installed by default.
Exactly, or when they forced their tools as “standard” forcing KDE to adapt.