This reminds me of an interesting take I have seen somewhere, which was basically a mixture of philosophies of Marx and Nietzsche:
Religious people are more inclined to accept bad circumstances as they have the afterlife to hope for, while atheists don’t have this, thus try to create paradise on earth.
I honestly don’t care what you believe, as long as you try to make the world a better place or at least don’t make it worse. The problems with religion are IMO mainly two-fold:
Some if not most people tend to see themselves as better than others, and try to force their world view upon others. Just let people be, and that goes double for sexuality and gender related issues. If you don’t understand an issue regarding any of this, either let it be or ask nicely. Don’t judge.
Organised religion tends to be structured in a way that demands obedience, not only to the rules but to the people. People fail, power corrupts and attracts people that want to abuse said power. This is also true in politics, at work or anywhere really. Unchecked power will ALWAYS be abused at one point. Don’t blindly trust authority figures.
Edit: With people fail, I don’t just mean the offenders. I also mean that offences will be swept under the rug with false pretenses, e.g. keep quiet so that others don’t loose their faith in the religious organization or even more “noble” causes.
“Organised religion tends to be structured in a way that demands obedience, not only to the rules but to the people.”
Organized religion? I dont know what you mean.
Religion is for the 90% of times for oneself. The rest should be gently incouraging others to have a openind, etc.
The biggest religions: both Islam and Christianity cant work if you try to force someone into it.
Religions require belief.
You cant make someone believe you with force or in other words against their will.
“People fail, power corrupts and attracts people that want to abuse said power.”
Exatly. Politics are not good enough. Live ae you want to and fuck off.
No one made a deal with governments to be their puppet.
There are 4 types od people in regards to that:
1. Strong people who want sovereignity
Weak (single) people who cant protect and/or thrive by themselves and are consenting
People who aren’t educated enough thus aren’t exactly consenting
People who dont have enough free time (for example after work or school) or are too exghaused to practice critical thinking and intellectually fight for their futures. And/or people who dont care enough because maybe they believe its out of their control, that they cant do anything.
Lets be honest, you just came, just from what I wrote hahaha
Most religions are institutionalized and have a ranking structure with multiple levels and a head such as the pope. That is what I mean by mean by “organized” religions.
Religion is for the 90% of times for oneself. The rest should be gently incouraging others to have a openind, etc.
Seriously fuck that. You should not “gently nudge” others to get on board with any religion. It’s annoying as fuck. You can however tell others why you think something is bad/good/morally correct to do. However “because god wants you to” is never even in the slightest any good enough reason. Instead, you should point to the benefits and losses for society or individuals.
Lets be honest, you just came, just from what I wrote hahaha
I had a good chuckle from your original comment. Also, I’m just always up for a good, productive discussion.
Please note my edit that I wrote before I saw your answer, as I think this is an important part to keep in mind, too.
One cannot obey or respect God and his commandments and etc. without believing in God.
I know God exists because sure while I have been ultra desperate at the time, I have also had something happen to me which is SO unlikely that it just must be God.
And not to mention the entire feeling "there must be a God, just look at the beauties of life, even if your life is miserable, like mine.
I sometimes wonder if some people are just meant to never be religious because you need fir stuff to happen to your or for you to witness them for you to become truly religious…
Now you got something wrong there. One can very much obey the commandments, but for me the possible existence of a god isn’t a good enough reason.
I obey societal rules if they align with my sense of morality, not because somebody demands them of me. My motivation comes intrinsically, not extrinsically. I was treated VERY badly and had a TON of shit happen to me. This has shown me that I want to be somebody who is good to people in general, as I do not want others to suffer as I have suffered.
I get why shit that happens tends to get people to believe in a higher power, as they lack other explanations. I on the other hand have a more scientific (for lack of a better word) approach:
Our planet and the universe is driven by collision upon collision, the earth has been hit by meteor after meteor and the surface has been re-formed repeatedly by volcanos. All of which is pretty random but follows certain rules that humanity has yet to fully figure out.
Humanity is no different. There are billions of us out there and looking back there have been such an enormous amount of people, it is unfathomably. We all interact with lots of different people who all have their own history, society is as complex as it gets.
Now take these two together: A planet that creates an ever-changing environment for an enormous amount of people. Like Murphy’s law states, what can happen will happen. Even if it seems ever so unlikely.
Our human brains tend to see structure where there is none. To me, thinkung up a god or several gods is humanitys way of coping with all this, to make sense of all the chaos. And that is not a bad thing. However, it is ever so often misused to mistreat people and have an excuse or salvation afterwards.
Edit: Upon re-reading your comment, you perfectly showcase something else.
And not to mention the entire feeling "there must be a God, just look at the beauties of life, even if your life is miserable, like mine.
This is a prime example of confirmation bias. You want or better NEED to believe in something, so you welcome any “sign” that points towards confirming your belief. Again, I do not care about your faith, everybody is free to have their own version of the truth, however I feel it is important that we reflect upon our foundation of thoughts, as otherwise we can never improve ourselves, and wouldn’t that just be sad to be stuck in the same pattern for our whole lives and not being open to new experiences and maybe through those a new view on life?
Okay, maybe I meant "people believe this is the one and only life and they are afraid, as opposed to religious people who are less likely
This reminds me of an interesting take I have seen somewhere, which was basically a mixture of philosophies of Marx and Nietzsche:
Religious people are more inclined to accept bad circumstances as they have the afterlife to hope for, while atheists don’t have this, thus try to create paradise on earth.
Exactly.
I know this all too well because I recently became religious and until then I was a strong ateist
I honestly don’t care what you believe, as long as you try to make the world a better place or at least don’t make it worse. The problems with religion are IMO mainly two-fold:
Some if not most people tend to see themselves as better than others, and try to force their world view upon others. Just let people be, and that goes double for sexuality and gender related issues. If you don’t understand an issue regarding any of this, either let it be or ask nicely. Don’t judge.
Organised religion tends to be structured in a way that demands obedience, not only to the rules but to the people. People fail, power corrupts and attracts people that want to abuse said power. This is also true in politics, at work or anywhere really. Unchecked power will ALWAYS be abused at one point. Don’t blindly trust authority figures.
Edit: With people fail, I don’t just mean the offenders. I also mean that offences will be swept under the rug with false pretenses, e.g. keep quiet so that others don’t loose their faith in the religious organization or even more “noble” causes.
I don’t have authority figures.
“Organised religion tends to be structured in a way that demands obedience, not only to the rules but to the people.”
Organized religion? I dont know what you mean.
Religion is for the 90% of times for oneself. The rest should be gently incouraging others to have a openind, etc.
The biggest religions: both Islam and Christianity cant work if you try to force someone into it.
Religions require belief.
You cant make someone believe you with force or in other words against their will.
“People fail, power corrupts and attracts people that want to abuse said power.”
Exatly. Politics are not good enough. Live ae you want to and fuck off.
No one made a deal with governments to be their puppet.
There are 4 types od people in regards to that:
1. Strong people who want sovereignity
Lets be honest, you just came, just from what I wrote hahaha
Most religions are institutionalized and have a ranking structure with multiple levels and a head such as the pope. That is what I mean by mean by “organized” religions.
Seriously fuck that. You should not “gently nudge” others to get on board with any religion. It’s annoying as fuck. You can however tell others why you think something is bad/good/morally correct to do. However “because god wants you to” is never even in the slightest any good enough reason. Instead, you should point to the benefits and losses for society or individuals.
I had a good chuckle from your original comment. Also, I’m just always up for a good, productive discussion.
Please note my edit that I wrote before I saw your answer, as I think this is an important part to keep in mind, too.
Hmmmm
I think you got the wrong idea.
One cannot obey or respect God and his commandments and etc. without believing in God.
I know God exists because sure while I have been ultra desperate at the time, I have also had something happen to me which is SO unlikely that it just must be God.
And not to mention the entire feeling "there must be a God, just look at the beauties of life, even if your life is miserable, like mine.
I sometimes wonder if some people are just meant to never be religious because you need fir stuff to happen to your or for you to witness them for you to become truly religious…
Its hard to explain.
RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM aint good.
Now you got something wrong there. One can very much obey the commandments, but for me the possible existence of a god isn’t a good enough reason.
I obey societal rules if they align with my sense of morality, not because somebody demands them of me. My motivation comes intrinsically, not extrinsically. I was treated VERY badly and had a TON of shit happen to me. This has shown me that I want to be somebody who is good to people in general, as I do not want others to suffer as I have suffered.
I get why shit that happens tends to get people to believe in a higher power, as they lack other explanations. I on the other hand have a more scientific (for lack of a better word) approach:
Our planet and the universe is driven by collision upon collision, the earth has been hit by meteor after meteor and the surface has been re-formed repeatedly by volcanos. All of which is pretty random but follows certain rules that humanity has yet to fully figure out.
Humanity is no different. There are billions of us out there and looking back there have been such an enormous amount of people, it is unfathomably. We all interact with lots of different people who all have their own history, society is as complex as it gets.
Now take these two together: A planet that creates an ever-changing environment for an enormous amount of people. Like Murphy’s law states, what can happen will happen. Even if it seems ever so unlikely.
Our human brains tend to see structure where there is none. To me, thinkung up a god or several gods is humanitys way of coping with all this, to make sense of all the chaos. And that is not a bad thing. However, it is ever so often misused to mistreat people and have an excuse or salvation afterwards.
Edit: Upon re-reading your comment, you perfectly showcase something else.
This is a prime example of confirmation bias. You want or better NEED to believe in something, so you welcome any “sign” that points towards confirming your belief. Again, I do not care about your faith, everybody is free to have their own version of the truth, however I feel it is important that we reflect upon our foundation of thoughts, as otherwise we can never improve ourselves, and wouldn’t that just be sad to be stuck in the same pattern for our whole lives and not being open to new experiences and maybe through those a new view on life?
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