I don’t really understand after reading the article what changed? All they did was quote discords blog post from February and this random twitter account … that also had no sources.
Not to mention the article is AI slop.
Is this like some sort of reminder or something? huh?
Google Wallet users can share a passport ID pass; Google sends Discord a birthdate, and Discord derives age from it without retaining that date.
… if google wallet is determining it anyway, why can’t google wallet just reply yes or no to the “is over 17” query… it seems like discord wouldn’t need to know exact age at all in that flow.
In sane countries the government has a neutral service, backed by laws securing anonymity of verification, for this kind of shit. Only in commercial, dystopian, kleptocracies does it seem reasonable to have a company doing this.
While that is nice. Here in the kelptocracy not having a federal ID system is intentional and it has really slowed down the Nazis.
it would have to ask daily, because you can be 15 today and 16 tomorrow (idk what the age cutoff is), but it also says the date isn’t retained so you might be onto something
Everybody says the data isn’t retained. It’s very stylish, today, to claim to delete unused data, at least until it get breached
That’s a wide opening for a lawsuit, though. This is the kind of thing they’re probably telling the truth about, at least in as much as what they intend to do.
Even then, the prompt could be as easy as a “recheck” button that the user sees on age restricted media. Kind of like how their age verification bucket was going to be. Database side all they need to know is a boolean of true or false of if they are a minor or not. or /maybe/ a trinary (0,1,2) system if that wanted a distinguishment of < 13 13-17 and 18+ It doesn’t have to check daily, it only has to check when the user requests access to age restricted stuff.
Wish I could delete it again
Literally like they said they would.
Oh right discord, I forgot they still exist XD
I hope it helps boost up Matrix as people look to jump ship, I’m pretty happy with Fluffychat.
Does fluffy chat have voice channels?
Fluffy is has voice experimentally right now. But element and sable have the most feature rich voice chat
Honestly not something I’ve used so I’ve truely no clue, the good thing about Matrix though is all the choices of client and I’m sure some will.
I have high hopes for matrix, but the last time I tried it, alot of the clients were close but not all the way there. Have you a recommendation for me to check out? Last one i tried was element
Check out Sable. Me and my friend were in the exact same boat, but then we found Sable.
Cinny is ok.
Already have sharkord hosted via a VPS via linode, so no worries about uptime. Fuck discord, open source for the win.
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For people that want advice for finding an alternative service, go to the github repo and figure out the state of development. Find the answers to these questions: how many active developers are there? when was the last commit? does this look like LLM code? What do the issues and PRs look like? Remember that we don’t want to have to do this again in 10 years, so open source and decentralized are major points.
Fluxer?
Fluxer has no E2EE yet, and no Federation. But it’s very easy to set up your own server.
It’s also very easy to set up your own Matrix server with Tuwunel or Continuwuity. I don’t know about the state of hosting your own XMPP server, but I assume it’s just as easy.
My friend has set up his Matrix server with Continuwuity (what a name…) and it required quite a bit of technical knowledge. With Fluxer you basically don’t need any technical knowledge.
For comparison, it took my friend about a day or two to set up his Matrix server with Sable as his client, and make sure everything was running smoothly. We managed to set up a Fluxer test server within 30 minutes.
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Vibe coded slop by one person. It is not really an open source project if nobody can work on it.
Is it ?
Open the GitHub repo. This guy is outputing more code in a month than I have in my entire career.
debian community is migrating to Fluxer, but a lot of people in that community are still asking for IRC, which has “discord-like” front-ends nowadays, so idk why not. It would allow anyone to use any client they want.
Help, I am still looking for assistance setting up the proxy that lets me downvote someone else’s decisions. Getting desperate here.
Yeah, I am only in adult-themed channels. I guess, I’m safe. And if not, those channels will have to move off Discord anyway…
If the UK implementation is anything to go by, anything tagged NSFW demands your ID or face scan to view. Reddit is the same.
Also it is a shit system. NSFW doesn’t necessarily mean adult only. That can fail in both directions too.
I am on Reddit and see porn just fine. I am not in the UK though.
I guess, they will do as much as they are forced to do by local law and nothing more. ID verification providers are companies and companies usually demand money for their service.
The selfie method stands out: on-device processing with no video retained is a meaningful privacy distinction.
Yea I don’t buy it
Yeah, this just means, if true, it’s totally ineffective. It’ll be hacked to bypass it if it’s all local, which means people wanting to avoid it will.
Yea I don’t buy it
Good. No one should. Not at least after the data breach. I ain’t giving them shit.
That quote from the article also sounds like AI wrote that bit.
It 100% is. That’s a Claude-ism if I ever saw one.
I read too much AI slop for a living to know.
The whole article was AI written, the headings the “voice” scream AI
My friends and I are in Matrix with the Sable client since march and we are really happy with it.
Yeah same but with the element client. Now we don’t even use discord at all
Can vouch for him. I can’t be happier with Matrix & Sable client.
You self-host or use a public instance? I’ve been curious about Matrix for a while but never found the time to set it up or find a decent instance
Public atm. The plan is to get ours.
I was using a etke as a hosting service for a while but it was a bit expensive and I wanted more control. I set it up on my homelab with a VPS running a reverse proxy and like it a lot more. I believe I deployed it with someone’s Ansable playbook I found on github. Make a matrix.org account and play around with it. I hate the Element client though.
Thanks for mentioning that client! Just gave it a go and its probably the best client I have tried so far
My friends and I use Matrix with the the commet.chat client. It is the best.
Fluxer continues rapid development and is now self-hostable.
The current stand alone client doesn’t allow you to specify a self hosted server though I’m limited to the web interface until there’s a fix, hopefully soon.
Really like fluxer though! Highly recommend it was very easy to set up and looks exactly like Discord.
Genuinely the one issue I have with it at the moment. Had been using Matrix since early this year. Got Fluxer up recently when they got the beta apps. Shut my matrix server down about a week later. It’s just nicer. Missing some things like E2E (for now) but my friends hated the additional step of having to put in that decrypt phrase anyway. Fluxer is easy and incredibly familiar out the box. Gonna keep my eye on Matrix clients though, but neither Element, Cinny, nor FluffyChat impressed.
Can’t you specify instance when logging into a canary client?
Not on Linux and the forums said it’s an oversight or bug and would be fixed but not when. Frustrating I am trying to migrate friends but they whine about the web interface.
It should also be a very easy fix so i wonder why it takes so long
It’s also a slop project. Matrix exists: join it and enjoy the federated future.
Matrix has its benefits, but it is not a 1:1 replacement for discord, for one thing they still haven’t figured out audio screen sharing. If privacy is your thing, it is also a mixed bag since jitsi is not e2ee while the fluxer video calls are. For my use case fluxer is preferable for less tech savvy people or people who want e2ee video calls, & matrix is good for e2ee chat messages, both have their place, & I use both where their strengths shine
Element call exists and both audio over screen share and encrypted video calls are a thing since couple years now. It’s not a 1:1 discord and it’s good because of that.
I’ve never gotten the screen share audio to work and based on the issue tracker I’m not the only one.
It’s not. Matrix is awful.
Ok go ahead, and please explain why matrix is awful. Please only speak from recent experience.
Slow loading, constant encryption errors, difficult to use, and way too many people on the flagship instance.
What client are you using?
I’ve been on matrix for over about two years now. There is no noticeable slowness on the client, on any that I tried (and I’ve tried a lot of them), and the chats for our groups open immediately.
There have been 0 encryption errors so far. We use encryption only in private chats and chats where we exchange important data. I have only been on large encrypted rooms (100+) once, and I did have an initial loading phase which took a couple of seconds. One should be able to live with that.
I have brought 12 people including my mother on element. Three of those people are what I consider “techy”, and the rest managed to join and use it by themselves with zero teaching from me (other than giving them the home server URL).
Hating matrix because lots of people are on the flagship server is like hating email because most people use Gmail. It’s not relevant for you. They can use whatever and you can use whatever.
I have a feeling that I have this talk once a month because there are misconceptions and misinformation on matrix. Matrix does have some issues, but these are not it.
I don’t know what to tell you, that has been my experience, and the experience of many others I have discussed it with.
Hating matrix because lots of people are on the flagship server is like hating email because most people use Gmail.
Well for one, yes, I absolutely do hate that most people use Gmail. This i s simply not the case with many competing protocols. For another, no, it’s not the same, because Gmail makes no illusions of being private.
Matrix is cool but the lackluster custom emote support on mobile clients is kind of a deal breaker for me
Actually there are plenty of mobile clients with that feature lol.
I do use Extera Next and it does have them.
this does seem like a pretty nice mobile client. thanks for sharing!
though unfortunately there’s no iOS version, so my partner can’t use it
extera is a fluffychat fork, which does have an iOS client fwiw
yes but as I said elsewhere in the comments here, last I tried it the emoji picker didn’t show custom emotes. To use them you had to specifically type out the emote name in colons 😔
https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/2545 Exists since 2020. But are custom emotes really the reason that you don’t use matrix?
Sure Matrix supports custom emotes, but clients’ support for them is still spotty. Element X didn’t even show them at all when I tried, and fluffy chat would let you see them but had no emote picker. you just had to type the name into chat between colons
I don’t know what you’re trying to imply, but yes custom emote support is that important for me and my friends
Yeah.
Also Fluxer is closed-source AFAIK.
And they say they will open it, but that just feels like empty words, and even if they did, I know they will use a shitty license as the FSL.
It’s open source under AGPL 3.0.
However they have worked on stuff privately before pushing it. That is apparently stopping now though, with contributions open again.
Oh well, I take back what I said, sorry for the misinformation. At least last time I checked there was no source code.
And about what I said about the FSL license, I’m really traumatized by projects that supposedly open source their code, but with that license.
I’ve been trying Fluxer recently and it’s been really great. though not as nice as Stoat with emotes, they still give 500 emote slots and 500 sticker slots for servers on the main instance. The mobile app that recently came out are a bit rough around the edges, but works well enough to replace discord for me (if only I could get all my friends on it…)
Does it have audio notifications yet? That was my deal-breaker when I tried it 6 months ago.
yep! you can even turn on a notification sound for messages in the current channel while the window is focused
It had audio notifications 6 months ago.
Yeah, my bad, I was thinking of Stoat.
I wish they’d do a cheap “Nitro Classic” style tier, rather than just having only “Nitro Premium”.
If they had a super cheap $1 tier just for being able to use custom emotes anywhere, I’d honestly love that. Though I feel like the $5/month for Plutonium is a lot better than $10/month that discord nitro goes for
yea, that’s exactly why they don’t do that. They know the only main feature that they offer that people who subscribe actually want is the emotes everywhere, they won’t offer a super cheap tier offering only that as the jump would be people on the 1$ tier and then people on the 10$ tier. Nobody would do nitro basic.
They don’t have either.
It’s called Plutonium or something. They do have the equivalent of Nitro.
Yes but unlike Discord you can just ignore it.
Actually not. They do impose really stupid upload limits.
Storage costs build up fast, the real solution is just handling peer to peer file sharing.
Yeah, and that’s the cool part on Matrix. It’s not really P2P yet, but it’s federated (including the storage), and they have a project looking to make it P2P.
Not stupid at all when you’re the one paying for storage.
