I’m just sick of Reddit.
The communities there seem much more active than the once on lemmy, which is not a surprise.
However, I oftentimes find myself doom scrolling through reddit, just because of some nonsense BS propaganda, ads, etc …, snuck inbetween of the community posts I’m actually interested in.
How can we convince the people over there to move away?
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You can’t be that sick of it if you want even let go of the place.
Just mention lemmy from time to time on other platforms; not to say “please come here”, but rather just to let people know that lemmy exists and has interesting stuff on it. People will check it out if they are interested.
Why bother?
Reddit isn’t Lemmy. Lemmy is Lemmy.
Enjoy who’s here. Hi. I’m GhiLA.
Lemmy needs to mature on a technical basis. The Lemmy service itself is still lacking significantly. But it it progressing.
Outside of technical limitations, focus on communities. A few good ones are better than many mediocre ones.
What technical limitations do you see? I feel like other than multireddits this place is basically equal to reddit.
Just about anything related to moderation tools.
Dealing with the All feed properly.
Users being able to configure default sorting on posts.
etc.Multi communities.
Hopefully this has been funded, so should happen soon
Asking people to do something will never work, telling people how something is better will trigger their curiosity to at least take a look.
Lol it’s porn.
Not anything else. Provide the better covert porn outlet.
There’s porn on here. Lemmynsfw.com is actually the second most populous instance irrc (or top 3?). Just got to convince people to post to it. But then we got the same problem of trying to convince people to do that lol.
Don’t you need an account to access it?
What about porn bots?
can’t. the ones that are still there wouldn’t understand how to use lemmy and the fediverse and they’ll just bash for the same reasons that bsky users bash mastodon. They want things to “just work” out of the box and are too lazy to figure things out.
“… too lazy to figure things out.” Yup, just like when somebody calls a plumber, or a mechanic or a therapist. Stop being lazy and master something in a field where you have no experience or desire to learn.
Not really the problem, some mods just bury threads about it, you can see an arrogant mod from self-host subreddit in a thread, attempt to plead to move elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ (this was a week ago) You can see why some still didn’t by the replies, and lack of understanding how to use Lemmy isn’t one of them.
They allegedly remove posts/comments about lemmy? And even if they don’t, I feel like it could have the opposite effect. People would see those posts just like ads/promotion/spam. Which would give lemmy a bad rep. Unless something big happens, like some big community switching to lemmy, or someone with a big following promotes lemmy, it will hardly see a big spike in user count.
The only way is to passively “advertise” it. Maybe add the link to your lemmy account in your reddits about you section, if you are making OC add your lemmy handle there as well…
And the last way, which is most likely the best way to do it, is to post good content on lemmy, keep communities alive. And people will eventually join.
Which communities? I personally find most of my favorite communities to be better in lemmy than on Reddit, with a few exceptions.
A few niche examples:
/r/generative /r/musicians /r/wildernessbackpacking /r/tropicalweather /r/analogcommunity /r/heavymind
Good luck convincing the non-technical users there to come here. This place is currently great for interests catered to programmers and sysadmins (speaking as one!), but artist and hobby communities are seriously lacking.
If the community doesn’t exist, have you tried creating one?
If it does exist, have you tried posting there?
Believe me or not that’s how it starts.
Well there are some video game ones.
If the community doesn’t exist, have you tried creating one?
If it does exist, have you tried posting there?
Believe me or not that’s how it starts.
I’ve thought about it…
Ya I just got to reddit for specific video game ones now basically. Or specific TV shows.
Buildapcsales gamedeals boardgamedeals etc. it was nice when they still have Api access because you could track prices.
Anything niche by computer geek standards So, like, anything from normie interests to things that are so niche that you need 30 million MAU to have an active space.
I’m honestly not sure I want the majority of reddit users coming to lemmy. Especially as a woman. There’s just so much more nastiness on reddit. I get that sometimes the content on Lemmy slows down or gets stale, but that seems like a reasonable price to pay to avoid people with chronic interpersonal problems and no healthy emotional outlet. I think every exchange I’ve had on Lemmy has at least been respectful and I can’t recall ever feeling that way on reddit.
That has not always been my experience, although I can see why you on Lemmy.World would say so (bc it defederates from lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, where most of the hostility across the Fediverse concentrates), but indeed the average interaction here is much more positive than on Reddit (even though the worst, e.g. if you ever comment in ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net, is significantly more negative than Reddit ever was allowed to become by the admins).
Most of them are bots anyway and I really wouldn’t want “everyone” to find out about and use lemmy because that would be the downfall of lemmy.
Why? So moderators can come here and ban you from their communities if you don’t agree with their biased bullshit and politics? No thank you
Mods can’t ban you from their fediverse community. You could just post from another site. It is why fediverse is superior to reddit.
That’s considered ban evasion by a lot of mods
What’s your point? Ban “evasion” is a feature of fediverse, not a bug. In the fediverse, you are immune from rando-bans.
Anybody who really does deserve to be banned, will repeat the behaviour that got them banned. So for those people there is no point with ban “evasion”.
There are already some communities with the same tooic, but without much interaction, so I was mainly refering to joining existing ones.
However, even if that happens, one can simply go ahead and create a new community with normal mod behavior.
Also report on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Please don’t. I like not dealing with redditeurs.
I’m just sick of Reddit.
How can we convince the people over there to move away?
I see things like this all the time on the fediverse. There’s this sentiment that reddit sucks and it’s nothing but bots and shithousery, but for some people they still want that crowd to migrate here.
I think Lemmy needs to let go of the idea of the “good” parts of reddit transferring here and everyone miraculously behaving differently, because it just isn’t going to happen. The people left on reddit are there because that’s the experience they want. Trying to import them en masse to Lemmy again is just going to bring more irritation and frustration IMO.
I think Lemmy would be better served working to improve and develop the communities they already have through users that are already here. Find ways to make your interests appealing to others. Be active in ways and places you usually wouldn’t, and Lemmy will grow up around us organically. None of these social media giants have anything of substance to offer their huge user bases besides the niche communities you guys are missing, and that’s why people spend so much time doomscrolling.
What we are missing is that someone on Reddit took the time to get these communities going too. Reddit wasn’t an instant success, it took the efforts of the early membership to drive engagement and user growth. Lemmy is obsessed with the idea of short cutting this step to steal members from other networks, and that’s silly.
No one is going to leave a well designed botnet social media for a black hole called the fediverse. In order to gain more meaningful membership we must first prove that Lemmy is worth overcoming the barriers to enter and engage with the people that are already here. Once the rest of the internet finds out we’re cool, they’ll show up.
I see this a lot too and to me it mimics the 7 stages of grief. It sounds like he just passed anger and is at bargaining.
I think if most of the reddit transplants (myself a transplant) can’t arrive at acceptance, they end up going back.
“Reddit is awful. How do we move that here?”
We simply don’t need Reddit users. We need Lemmy users who desire to start communities. Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago, and that’s just fine.
Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago
I mean it’s not THAT good, but it’s sure better than Reddit today.
@fmstrat @FrostyTrichs My problem with both Reddit and Lemmy is that they don’t let people delete their posts entirely. I liked Reddit until I learned this. It’s a basic feature that I don’t understand not including.
For me - and i am new - the whole point of lemmy is less people, less content to scroll, and more quality. If lemmy was reddit, i would leave lemmy too
There’s nothing wrong with this approach either but I’d remind you and anyone else seeking this experience that Lemmy is infinitely more customizable for this than reddit ever was. The ability to block users, communities, instances, etc can be invaluable. Some instances also don’t federate with everyone so it’s fairly easy to find a smaller space that isn’t so busy if the larger instances are too much.
Lemmy gets a lot of shit, and deservedly so at times, but there are already some very handy tools in the kit for curating your feed to your liking.
Ill be frank, i still have no idea how it all actually works. I am wrapping my head around this model still. But thanks for the info! :)
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These are big technical issues IMO, especially considering the large amount of tankies on Lemmy. It doesn’t help that many tankies have accounts on LW and other “normal” instances.
PieFed, and the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect, can do that. They truly block users from any custom instance of your choice, without having to depend upon an admin (or spin up an instance yourself).
Base Lemmy cannot and a look at the admin practices present on the devs own instance convinces me that it likely never will - it seems simply not a priority for them (and we are on their platform - or rather you are:-).
Nothing is perfect ofc, but it’s nice to have choices.
If federation works the way it’s claimed to, then if we migrate even the bad parts of reddit here it should be fine.
Lemmy is turning into an elitist cesspool.
What’s the claim about federation that overcomes the bullshit of social media usage?
Toxic people can be blocked by your instance, or you can move to an instance that doesn’t tolerate that behavior
Reddit took the time to get these communities going…
Sure! But, in this case Lemmy is literally a federated copypasta of Reddit, like Madtodon is of X.
Therefore, I think Lemmy is already a few steps ahead, due to the existing familiarity how communities/subs are supposed to be used.
So it’s not we’re starting from scratch… It’s just getting rid of the annoyances of Reddit.
Take Mastodon/BlueSky as an example. People are already familiar withbthe concept of how to use it.
Sure! But, in this case Lemmy is literally a federated copypasta of Reddit, like Madtodon is of X.
This is being overly simplistic IMO. Lemmy is not a direct copy paste of reddit, just the idea is the same. Lemmy is missing many of the tools reddit has come to depend on for things like moderation and community engagement. The idea is the same but the framework is different and that comes with its own challenges.
Lemmy is a good enough platform for now and for future growth. It wasn’t a drop in replacement for reddit when the exodus happened and it isn’t a drop in replacement now, but it’s closer. There are still lots of little things- quality of life improvements, moderation improvements, discovery improvements, etc that need to be tuned or fixed before Lemmy is ready to shoulder millions of active users, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t worthy of the effort today.
The beautiful part of the fediverse is we’re all free to form our own ideas about how it’s best grown and supported. If there’s something you are passionate about there’s nothing stopping you or anyone else from spinning up a community or instance about it and creating the niche communities everyone seems to miss. It all takes time, and individual and group efforts.
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Change your default sort.
But, that’s not relevant to communities. You can kill a community by technical means, but technical means cannot create one; it’s necessary but not sufficient, and not even the hard part.
Most people are still on fucking FACEBOOK. They are willing to put up with almost unlimited bullshittery for the sake of their sense of community. Building a better mousetrap won’t work, and building a vaguely equivalent mousetrap won’t even move the needle.
Yes but we’re also more mastodon less bluesky. If a bluesky-esque clone of Reddit comes along with better UX and paving over the issues of federation then it will win, the way Bluesky has beaten out Mastodon as the Twit alternate
We don’t. We just continue to stay here and grow and flourish naturally. I see no need to rush.
Yup, I say it in every thread of this sort I see pop up, you definitionally can’t force organic engagement.
It can be frustrating to go from a thriving niche subreddit to a new venue without anyone to populate those niche communities. Outside of ML, FOSS, and Star Trek, most of the niche communities are ghost towns.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting convincing AskReddit or /r/memes to migrate. I think they’re mostly targeting /r/ObscureInterestYou’veProbablyNeverHeardOf.
