• WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Think of how much evil and stupidity in the world ultimately traces back to some men and the boners they’re ashamed of.

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        I don’t, actually.

        That was a common basis for it in the west, but it’s demonstrably not the only basis, as illustrated by similar toxically masculine bullshit in places like Japan and India.

        And beyond that, I don’t think it’s even as commonly the basis as it used to be in the west - that at this point, much (most?) of it traces back to secular misogynist culture warriors like Andrew Tate.

        And beyond that, I just reject the whole concept of blaming ideologies for the fact that some people are assholes. Clearly the problem is simply that they are assholes, and I think they deserve all of the blame for that themselves.

        Now all that said, more power to ya. Any fight against toxic bullshit is worthwhile.

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          And beyond that, I just reject the whole concept of blaming ideologies for the fact that some people are assholes. Clearly the problem is simply that they are assholes, and I think they deserve all of the blame for that themselves.

          Do you think they’re all just born that way? Gotta be some cultural component, even if not tied to a specific ideology

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            To be fair no, cause think of any other religion in US.

            Muslims don’t eat pork, but how often do you see a Muslim come up to a minimum wage earning cashier and talk to them about how Allah has forbidden pork?

            When was the last time you saw a Muslim yelling about how they “indoctrinate children” while showing peppa the pig shirts in kids section.

            Yes Muslim majority countries don’t look well but that’s more problem of regional instability rather than “religion bad.”

            When atheism was first spreading in europe they justified slavery with “white men are the next stage of evolution.”

            We all know they would just make up a different excuse if they were born 200 years beforehand. Ideology is just a way to excuse their morals for these type of people.

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            I don’t know if they’re all born that way, but it really shocked me sideways to look at my traits when I done the dna thing and see, “you probably play a musical instrument” and “you probably don’t own a pet”.

            I’m sitting here next to my piano, guitar, and drums, beside two dogs wishing I could really love them the way my wife does. I know they depend on me and I’m nice to them, but my god I wish I didn’t have to share my space with them.

            I always thought I played music for deeper reasons and I always thought I disliked animals because of my mom surrounding me with them as a kid.

            Maybe hatred is activated in us. I was a homophobe in the sense that I didn’t think it was natural when I was younger, but I wouldn’t have ever wanted to hurt anyone. I’m not a homophobe at all now, maybe I never would have even remotely been if I hadn’t spent my entire childhood hearing it.

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            Of course there’s a cultural component involved.

            But that doesn’t make a person into an asshole - it just establishes a path and some amount of pressure to follow it.

            Pressure that can be resisted and a path that can be not followed.

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              Well sure. But isn’t it more important to ask what the problem is and how it could be improved across society, than the appropriate way to allocate blame? You wrote earlier in this comment thread,

              Think of how much evil and stupidity in the world ultimately traces back to some men and the boners they’re ashamed of.

              It seems to me like those people are themselves struggling to “resist pressure” and follow what they see as a “path” to being a good person, and thereby covering over what could be a source of empathy (and realization that their path is wrong) with shame.

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                But isn’t it more important to ask what the problem is and how it could be improved across society

                Yes, and that’s exactly why I hold the position I hold - because I believe that the problem is people failing/refusing to exercise their own abilities to control their own lives and their own choices and instead simply going with one flow or another, then blaming the flow when it carries them somewhere problematic.

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            Not that poster.

            While cultural components can be a factor, the person doesn’t give a shit enough to think for themselves on that topic, and makes life miserable for others. They can choose to do nothing or stick up for the oppressed people, but don’t.

            You can see this, because there are others in the same timeframe/culture that stick up for the oppressed people, or at least do nothing.

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        Yup, shame is a tool they wield to do horrible things to their own parishioners and others. At least in Christianity shame is a very important aspect of the religion.

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          “THINKING wrong will ETERNALLY DAMN YOU” is a great way to get people to repress themselves in horrifically damaging ways too.

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      That, plus others’ inability to have as much happy sex as they’d like, is about 90% the reason humanity is the way it is

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    There is probably an absolutely fascinating sociology paper that examines this through the lens that the fact it’s forbidden makes it sexier

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      Reformed homophobe and (current) bisexual here, at least in my case, it was about being really afraid of bing found out and then beaten and ridiculed. At least in those times I avoided them like the plague, nowadays I just don’t care.

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      Thankfully, the kinks of mine I would most like to keep private aren’t fetishizing people, so I don’t know if it’s a chicken or egg thing. I suspect that it’s more that people feel that they are silly for having these kinks and want to separate their perceived selves from the kink as much as possible, then they get carried away from there (not an excuse, they still have to be bad people to do that).

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    My city just announced a Trans strip club is going to open this year. It will be really interesting to see who the clientele will be.

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      That sounds… weirdly specific and exploitative. If it was for queer people in general that’d be one thing, but I dunno.

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        Yeah, that’s what I thought, too. Especially because trans porn tends to be exploitative. I tried to look for more info, and I think it may be a hoax.

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          I mean, I’ve never actually set foot inside a strip club, so maybe they’re not all owned and patronized by total skeezeballs like the media portrays. I just don’t have much reason to assume that’s the case here.

          But like OP said in another reply, it seems like it might have been a hoax anyway, so it doesn’t matter.