Sayori meme representing Linux users. Sayori is disgusted by text reading “receiving pre-installed bloatware” and instead approves “accumulating bloatware over time”. Bloatware refers to unused packages.
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This is a certified hood Klassiker. I keep all my important files on external disks, so I can reinstall easily. I tried other distros that “fix” this issue, but I’ll never leave my true love Arch again (dont tell my wife, I don’t want to sleep on the couch again).
Solution: atomic distro
I actually use NixOS, but my configuration also accumulates packages I will no longer use. Even worse, these packages will be reinstalled wherever I use that config!
You can get rid of them very easily 😁 You could also have a base config and an extended config
NixOS user here. This doesn’t come out of the box, but I append a comma before the command I want to run without installing, I can run the command without installing.
Yes it’s technically downloaded (if not cached there already) in the nix store, but this is (optionally automatically) cleaned up regularly, for store items that doesn’t have a generation (profile, think version of your configuration) that depends on it.
Out the box, you can run a command that opens a shell up with the packages you specify, but comma uses a database to know the executeable names for packages (you get to pick if multiple matches), similar to the command not found function in other distros.
Sorry for hijacking your comment, just wanted to say something cool about a cool distro, which isn’t suitable for everyone, but I hope that can improve in the future because nixos is niceos
I am fine with installing apps I use or want to try. I’m also okay with forgetting them and wasting the space honestly. All of that probably would take me ten years of “bloat” to match windows out of the box so yeah that’s not bloat, that’s just making software decisions. This post is really criticizing people for installing software? Wtf
Maybe the real bloatware is the friends we made along the way
They are characteristically similar some times…
as usual, nix fixed this (kinda)
This doesn’t make sense to me.
If you install features over time, it’s because you want to use them, if you want to use them, it’s not bloat.
If it’s to try it, and it’s not for you, why not just remove the package again?I can’t say for others, but my system definitely does not get bloated over time.
On the contrary, I remove preinstalled features I don’t use, when I get tired of seeing them updating.I check out apps from flathub periodically and then subsequently completely forget about them. That may or may not count as bloat depending on how you define it
Bold of you to assume people have perfect knowledge of what they installed and what they use and how much.
I just copy and paste things into the terminal until whatever I wanted is installed and running.
Same. Also if I can’t get it to work I rarely put in the effort to uninstall all the bits I’ve added.
I feel targeted
This is the way
Are you saying you don’t know when you install additional packages?
How does that work?Install, try out, forget about it.
Being mindless about anything has pretty similar results, I don’t see the point of this?
Forget you have a car parked in your garage and it will get dirty over time.
Maybe not the best analogy, but if you don’t give a shit, things tend to fall apart.Forget you have a car parked in your garage and it will get dirty over time.
Exactly and then from time to time your clear out and clean the garage. Hence the original post.
OK, except the post indicate building a new garage to get rid of the unused car.
Kind of overkill IMO.What? No.
Going with the garage analogy, it’s like buying a dirty car vs getting a new one and it getting dirty over time
Your garage is now very big and you can try out thousands of cars for free.
Gonna raise the notion that a good, usable piece of software would not require much, if any level of awareness on this front, since most users aren’t willing or able to have that awareness in the first place.
The way this should work is you click on things you want in a package manager and then those are present and available transparently whether you use them or not. That goes for all OSs.
Hell, even Android’s semi-automatic hybernating of unused apps is a step too close to my face, as far as I’m concerned.
Isn’t that how it is, hence the meme that people accumulate bloteware* over time because they keep installing and not using but not going back and uninstalling,
At least for me I’d open up the package manager and see all these new and recommended software and think oh cool I’ll get into ASCII art if I install this, and of course never actually run it, last time I had like three metronomes
For me it got particularly bad back when I was running Manjaro and the GUI package manager showed you multiple package types for the same software all the time. Three metronomes is bad, but three differently packaged versions of Steam is worse and potentially unrecoverable.
if i package i want to install has more than five dependencies, i don’t install it; who can keep track of all that :3
That’s what package managers are for 🤷♂️
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