Correct if you only think about the clothes and dances. But what about eating habits? Lederhosen wearers like to suck the veal sausage out of the skin and eat it with sweet mustard
When Spain claimed sovereignty over the area now known as Texas, they didn’t actually have de facto control.
A big chunk of modern day residents of Texas trace their lineage back to waves of German and Czech migration. One large wave showed up in the 1830’s and 1840’s, negotiated a treaty with the Comanches who still controlled the land, and established German-speaking settlements through much of Central Texas. So actual control over the land was established by Germans more than it was Spanish.
Even in the portions of Texas conquered by Spanish settlers have now been settled by people who don’t trace back to those Spaniards. The Spanish-speaking people of Texas declared independence with the rest of Mexico and became Mexicans. Then, after the war of Texas Independence, were mostly driven out by English-speaking Texians who had migrated from America (and largely trace back to to English, Scottish, or Irish migrants).
So no, modern day Texans are more German than they are Spanish. Just because the Spanish were the first to do it doesn’t mean that they or their descendants actually held the land in the centuries that followed.
I’m arguing that the Spanish didn’t “settle” most of Texas at all. They claimed sovereignty without control, and didn’t “settle” it themselves because they were driven out themselves, before they had the ability to displace the native American tribes that were already there.
However, the majority of Texans according to the 2020 census is of latin/hispanic ethnicity (40.2%), followed by 39.8% white.
I don’t know what US americans need to claim any descent or ancestry, but I have a feeling that more people would claim spanish than german.
Still, my original reason for making a comment is probably true, too: the actual displacement of Native Americans from Texas probably mostly happened at the hands of European Americans who weren’t Spanish, because the Spanish were themselves displaced before Texas was “settled” by European Americans.
In the end, all of the European colonists played a role in the genocide against native americans. And my remark mostly was just a snarky reminder that it wasn’t uninhabitated land that was settled.
I’d say Germanys east is more like the flyover states in the US:
Used to be full of high payed industry jobs that were moved overseas (or Westgermany) and now it’s nothing but hopelessness, crumbling infrastructure, meth, and faschists…
So, Bavaria is Germany’s version of Montreal or Florida?
I’ve seen it being compared to Texas before and - from a non-American point of view - that seems pretty accurate.
Accurate in more ways than one. “Howdy, pardner!” and cowboy hats is to the US what yodeling and slapping your Lederhosen is to Germany.
Correct if you only think about the clothes and dances. But what about eating habits? Lederhosen wearers like to suck the veal sausage out of the skin and eat it with sweet mustard
Aren’t Texans originally German settlers anyway?
No. The original “settlement” (aka stealing land from and genociding indigenous people) of what is today Texas was done by the Spanish.
When Spain claimed sovereignty over the area now known as Texas, they didn’t actually have de facto control.
A big chunk of modern day residents of Texas trace their lineage back to waves of German and Czech migration. One large wave showed up in the 1830’s and 1840’s, negotiated a treaty with the Comanches who still controlled the land, and established German-speaking settlements through much of Central Texas. So actual control over the land was established by Germans more than it was Spanish.
Even in the portions of Texas conquered by Spanish settlers have now been settled by people who don’t trace back to those Spaniards. The Spanish-speaking people of Texas declared independence with the rest of Mexico and became Mexicans. Then, after the war of Texas Independence, were mostly driven out by English-speaking Texians who had migrated from America (and largely trace back to to English, Scottish, or Irish migrants).
So no, modern day Texans are more German than they are Spanish. Just because the Spanish were the first to do it doesn’t mean that they or their descendants actually held the land in the centuries that followed.
describes later waves of settlers
I’m arguing that the Spanish didn’t “settle” most of Texas at all. They claimed sovereignty without control, and didn’t “settle” it themselves because they were driven out themselves, before they had the ability to displace the native American tribes that were already there.
Not how i read it, might want to rephrase, add a sentence.
Okay, I misread the original claim, my bad.
However, the majority of Texans according to the 2020 census is of latin/hispanic ethnicity (40.2%), followed by 39.8% white.
I don’t know what US americans need to claim any descent or ancestry, but I have a feeling that more people would claim spanish than german.
That’s fair, you’re probably right.
Still, my original reason for making a comment is probably true, too: the actual displacement of Native Americans from Texas probably mostly happened at the hands of European Americans who weren’t Spanish, because the Spanish were themselves displaced before Texas was “settled” by European Americans.
Spain is Europe, too!
In the end, all of the European colonists played a role in the genocide against native americans. And my remark mostly was just a snarky reminder that it wasn’t uninhabitated land that was settled.
I believe that’s Wisconsin. Polish & German pocket of ancestry.
Uhhh, WISCONSIN!
Montreal is awesome wtf are you on about? You mean Alberta?
Interesting. I’ve spent more time in Ontario than any other province, and Newfoundland seems to be the area they all make fun of.
No, that would be the entirety of east Germany.
I’d say Germanys east is more like the flyover states in the US:
Used to be full of high payed industry jobs that were moved overseas (or Westgermany) and now it’s nothing but hopelessness, crumbling infrastructure, meth, and faschists…
If the US had a state-sized version of Detroit, that would be a good comparison, too. Rust belt and such.
I mean, have you been to Michigan?
(jk, I haven’t been and looking at orange turds antics probably won’t visit the US in the near future lol)
I have not. My knowledge about Detroit is entirely based on 8 Mile.
Well that last part sure sounds like FL or man of the fly over states.