Gone vegetarian 5 years ago just before the pandemic hit. I’ve never had any real issues so far and my friend group has mostly switched to vegetarian meals when I’m present. Not because anyone forced them, but because it’s a lot easier and there’s so much awesome vegetarian food nowadays.
And when we barbecue, everyone brings their own stuff anyway. So that’s a non issue as well (I don’t care about cross contamination at all)
I don’t think I could go full vegan, but in all honesty, I save enough money from not buying meat that I can buy all of my milk and cheese organic and that got rid of pretty much every last one of my moral qualms.
spoiler
Queue militant vegans telling me how awful even organic dairy is in 3, 2, 1…
Not a vegan, but organic is really a marketing term more than anything, at least in the US. Organic farming isn’t necessarily a more environmentally safe alternative to normal farming, especially since “organic” pesticides tend to also cause local environmental damage.
This is confusing for me. When I was growing up, it was in the aftermath of DDT and all that shit. Organic was what decent people started using to indicate that no awful pesticides like that were used. It wasn’t supposed to be marketing.
There is a strong anti-organic community that will say this. There is a clear indication of what organic means on the website. It is not perfect, but waaaay better.
I don’t know and don’t care about the US, but at least in the EU this statement is false. The EU-BIO- Label doesn’t regulate as much as it could, but it does regulate a lot more than just “no pesticides”.
If you became a vegetarian for ethical reasons, then buying organic milk doesn’t solve any of the moral qualms connected to the dairy industry. The cow still gets (forcefully) impregnated, her calf still gets taken from her shortly after birth and both of them get killed once they are no longer economically viable.
I became a vegetarian for environmental reasons and I do think all animals deserve a dignified existance, but my criteria for that is obviously very different from yours.
Still though, it never ceases to amuse me how that forceful impregnation BS is still floating around with people who’ve never encountered a live animal in their entire life. How about you try getting a male and female pet and do a little study on how small the intervals in between litters really are.
Still though, it never ceases to amuse me how that forceful impregnation BS is still floating around
Are you saying cows are not impregnated forcefully? Because artificial impregnation is used regularly by dairy farmers. Even when not, the time of impregnation, either by natural methods or artificially, is carefully selected with best milk production in mind.
How about you try getting a male and female pet and do a little study on how small the intervals in between litters really are
For cows it’s usually a dry period of 60 days, before they are impregnated again.
I’m not even sure what point you are trying to make here. Are you implying that wild cows would also be pregnatant as much as possible?
I’d be interested in what your criteria for a dignified existence are. For example, what is your stance on the separation of cow and calf? This happens in organic farming too.
Regardless of the method of farming (organic or not) cows are slaughtered for meat at about 5 years of age, after bringing 2 or 3 calves into the world and about 15 years before their natural death. Do you regard that as a dignified existence?
My source is that my family owns an organic dairy farm and every single number you pulled is either wrong or out of context
Cows get pregnant about once per year. When we have an actual bull with the herd, that interval is even shorter because the bull won’t consider milk production at all. He’ll jump on as soon as he smells she’s in heat.
There’s nothing forceful about artificial insemination and every statement in that direction is extremist bullshit spread by Peta Terrorists and other lowlifes
Wild cows also get pregnant every year, yes. They need to produce as much offspring as possible so the herd doesn’t die out and when there’s a bull present and the cow goes into heat, then there’s nothing stopping them.
Cows on organic farms often live into their teens and are usually only slaughtered when they develop severe health problems. Our oldest one is 16 years old as of last month and you can easily tell that she’s an extremely old lady. Wild cows have a way shorter life expectancy because they get hunted down by predators or die of an infection as soon as they show any kind of weakness or old age.
A dignified existence for a cow is the ability to graze on fresh pastures, a roof over the head for bad weather, soft bedding for resting, a reasonablely sized herd for companionship and a painless death when her time has come.
Separation of cows and calves is your only argument that has any kind of merit, but honestly most cows take it pretty well. A lot of farmers are actually exploring concepts where mother and calf are kept together, but those usually result in higher maintenance cost and slightly lower milk yield. And customers are just not ready to pay the difference.
The thing that people like you always forget is that most farmers and especially organic farmers care a great deal about their kettles’ wellbeing and some of you would do well to remember that.
Gone vegetarian 5 years ago just before the pandemic hit. I’ve never had any real issues so far and my friend group has mostly switched to vegetarian meals when I’m present. Not because anyone forced them, but because it’s a lot easier and there’s so much awesome vegetarian food nowadays.
And when we barbecue, everyone brings their own stuff anyway. So that’s a non issue as well (I don’t care about cross contamination at all)
I don’t think I could go full vegan, but in all honesty, I save enough money from not buying meat that I can buy all of my milk and cheese organic and that got rid of pretty much every last one of my moral qualms.
spoiler
Queue militant vegans telling me how awful even organic dairy is in 3, 2, 1…
Not a vegan, but organic is really a marketing term more than anything, at least in the US. Organic farming isn’t necessarily a more environmentally safe alternative to normal farming, especially since “organic” pesticides tend to also cause local environmental damage.
This is confusing for me. When I was growing up, it was in the aftermath of DDT and all that shit. Organic was what decent people started using to indicate that no awful pesticides like that were used. It wasn’t supposed to be marketing.
There is a strong anti-organic community that will say this. There is a clear indication of what organic means on the website. It is not perfect, but waaaay better.
https://www.ams.usda.gov/about-ams/programs-offices/national-organic-program
nowadays organic just means it doesn’t use regulated pesticides, doesn’t indicate any quality besides that
That is not true.
https://www.ams.usda.gov/about-ams/programs-offices/national-organic-program
I don’t know and don’t care about the US, but at least in the EU this statement is false. The EU-BIO- Label doesn’t regulate as much as it could, but it does regulate a lot more than just “no pesticides”.
Oh, I’m in America, and it doesn’t mean “no pesticides”. it means no pesticides approved by the EPA. fuck knows what they’re actually putting on there
If you became a vegetarian for ethical reasons, then buying organic milk doesn’t solve any of the moral qualms connected to the dairy industry. The cow still gets (forcefully) impregnated, her calf still gets taken from her shortly after birth and both of them get killed once they are no longer economically viable.
I became a vegetarian for environmental reasons and I do think all animals deserve a dignified existance, but my criteria for that is obviously very different from yours.
Still though, it never ceases to amuse me how that forceful impregnation BS is still floating around with people who’ve never encountered a live animal in their entire life. How about you try getting a male and female pet and do a little study on how small the intervals in between litters really are.
Are you saying cows are not impregnated forcefully? Because artificial impregnation is used regularly by dairy farmers. Even when not, the time of impregnation, either by natural methods or artificially, is carefully selected with best milk production in mind.
For cows it’s usually a dry period of 60 days, before they are impregnated again.
I’m not even sure what point you are trying to make here. Are you implying that wild cows would also be pregnatant as much as possible?
I’d be interested in what your criteria for a dignified existence are. For example, what is your stance on the separation of cow and calf? This happens in organic farming too. Regardless of the method of farming (organic or not) cows are slaughtered for meat at about 5 years of age, after bringing 2 or 3 calves into the world and about 15 years before their natural death. Do you regard that as a dignified existence?
My source is that my family owns an organic dairy farm and every single number you pulled is either wrong or out of context
Cows get pregnant about once per year. When we have an actual bull with the herd, that interval is even shorter because the bull won’t consider milk production at all. He’ll jump on as soon as he smells she’s in heat.
There’s nothing forceful about artificial insemination and every statement in that direction is extremist bullshit spread by Peta Terrorists and other lowlifes
Wild cows also get pregnant every year, yes. They need to produce as much offspring as possible so the herd doesn’t die out and when there’s a bull present and the cow goes into heat, then there’s nothing stopping them.
Cows on organic farms often live into their teens and are usually only slaughtered when they develop severe health problems. Our oldest one is 16 years old as of last month and you can easily tell that she’s an extremely old lady. Wild cows have a way shorter life expectancy because they get hunted down by predators or die of an infection as soon as they show any kind of weakness or old age.
A dignified existence for a cow is the ability to graze on fresh pastures, a roof over the head for bad weather, soft bedding for resting, a reasonablely sized herd for companionship and a painless death when her time has come.
Separation of cows and calves is your only argument that has any kind of merit, but honestly most cows take it pretty well. A lot of farmers are actually exploring concepts where mother and calf are kept together, but those usually result in higher maintenance cost and slightly lower milk yield. And customers are just not ready to pay the difference.
The thing that people like you always forget is that most farmers and especially organic farmers care a great deal about their kettles’ wellbeing and some of you would do well to remember that.
Or just spay and neuter