cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/48813307
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Raise your voices and flood their inbox, this might be the last chance we ever get
the way things are going Europeans are gonna have to start fleeing to China to get a semblance of free speech 🤣
“outlaws anonymous communication” - This sends chills down me more than anything else I can remember. The people and organisations that benefit from this can’t be trusted.
The only thing this does is control the law abiding public. Criminals are already breaking the law, and won’t care. It is trivial to build an anonymous communication app. There will always be a workaround.
Anonymity, and free speak should be human rights.
“Outlaws anonymous communication by requiring every citizen to verify their age…”
To me that reads similarly to age restricted websites asking you to verify your age before accessing it, where you just input a date that says you’re old enough and then you’re set. I’ve been 99 years old for the last decade. Given what they’re trying to do, I wouldn’t be surprised if they use more extensive verification measures, but I haven’t read into that yet. If it’s just an age/DOB input, then it’s not really outlawing anything.
Ok, the website says that Germany already opposes it. Is that outdated or what? I don’t want to spam MEPs if they already agree with me.
Spam them regardless. You want them to stay where they are and to argue firmly. Especially coming from Germany when talking about the evil of the surveillance state.
Back in the Merkel-era if Germany opposes it was over.
Everything good at Denmark? Why the fuck are your politicians pushing this into the EU council?
Because Denmark holds the rotating EU presidency, Denmark is literally required by treaty to work towards compromise when the council cannot agree. If it wasn’t Denmark doing this work, it would be another country holding the EU presidency doing it.
It’s not really about Denmark - it’s about the entire council agreeing with a compromise the presidency has to seek.
because when you have fourteen parties there’s bound to be at least a few fascists hiding behind the curtains. the real problem is that there’s not legislation that prevents this dude from retracting and resubmitting it when it looks like it’s gonna fail
It seemed like such a reasonable country 12 months ago.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A populace in which it is politically safe to even float this suggestion is weak.
if i’m not an eu citizen, what can i do to help
they won’t stop until they are deposed.
Still can’t fucking believe Denmark, my country, supports this. Yeah, it got revised thanks to Denmark, but it shouldn’t be revised, it should be killed.
Denmark not only supports it, it was and is the one country that pushes the hardest for it, from the start. Which is weird because to my German perspective, because I wouldn’t exactly associate Denmark with a police-state, quite the opposite actually, especially compared to Germany.
the europeans on lemmy continue to insist that americans are ahead of the fascism game; but we still don’t have chat control and have only elected one fascist so far. lol
but we still don’t have chat control
Who needs chat control when you have the Patriot Act and PRISM?
You absolutely are ahead of the fascist game, so far ahead that your billionaires are funding European fascists and emboldening them.
our billionaires are also funding the protests again them; one of the walmart heirs is entire responsible for the noking protests.
Mate, USA is way ahead in fascism. EU isn’t openly disappear / deporting people yet. EU has healthcare, mostly.
Pretty sure fascist already broke off the UK. While I will agree the US is ahead, it is everywhere already.
This is a worldwide problem unfortunately.
Name one world leader except Trump that can make the stock market crash by speaking… :)
We dont have any big leaders in Europe that most people know by name even.
Its all talk about Trump, Musk, Zuckerberg over here too. Like mini America. There is nobody here who is saying anything people care about. We dont even know their names.
I think electing him twice should count for something.
that’s fair. lol
At much harder the second time.
Every single swing county supposedly went the same way, there’s a county in New York where Harris supposedly had zero votes- despite locals claiming they did.
Alot of sus
Only one? Do all if the bootlickers in the house and the senate, as well as JD vance not count?
While we have problems here in Europe and they’re concerning, the US really has this shit on a whole 'nother level. The NSA more or less has ALL the data that enters or exits the country and probably most of what goes around public networks (so just about any ISP) within the country. Your Lemmy instance is hosted in France and from your comment I infer that you’re American (so likely situated in the US), so most likely the communication between you and the instance is all recorded and stored at 33 Thomas Street. They’re just storing everything so they can decrypt it if quantum computing breaks existing algorithms. Then there’s all the tooling the CIA and NSA have built to spy on everyone who has any even somewhat insecure smart device.
Denmark is trying to legislate all this into happening, the US just ignores legislation when something actually disagrees with their spying
it’s not that they’re ignoring it; is that the legistlation doesn’t address buying it from non-government agencies and probably on purpose.
Barring civilians from using encryption and software deemed dangerous is a new level imo. These are the tools we have to fight this stuff, maintaining those rights is a big deal.
Oh I agree. If encryption becomes illegal I may actually move to another freaking continent. I have nothing to hide, but I am still not willing to compromise on privacy and security.
srsly considering to vote for a party against the eu next election.
whats the point if it is just oppression. Conservatives ruining the world.
Are there any left eu-skeptic parties?
sry i am not aware of any, or atleast any pary i have been intrested in till now was anti-eu
but conaidering i am very left and am having these thoughts, i would hope that if this really gets approved, that either my local party changes their stance / atleast advocates for strong eu reforms Or that a smaller new one changes its stance
ofc voting right wing is not an option
most of them, I think
Such as?
Will this actually happen with 9 member states opposing? I thought they need every memeber state to support it?
All that means it’s that it won’t become EU-wide, could still become applied in those “Yes” voters off their own initiatives
Un-fucking-believable 😡
Who do we need to kill?
I’m tired, boss.
On your feet, comrade. This is no place to die.
So am I, but they are not.
I feel you
Question for a the Fight Chat Control website: My country’s primary language is not English, do I need to translate the e-mail?
Yes you should, and it would be even better to use it as a template to write it yourself.
MEPs will pay more attention to messages that seem genuine and from their voters rather than mass-produced by foreigners.
Cough, Briar, Cough, Cough SSB cough.
Simplex
What is this Law Enforcement Working Party?
What is its relationship to the Council?
