In Chile, in 1960, after the great Valdivia earthquake, in a small beach town in southern Chile, to “calm the seas” after the tsunami, a mapuche machi (chilean indigenous people; chaman), did a human sacrifice, killing a little child, they were absolved because they “were acting in accordance of an extreme fear of their gods of their belief”, and it angers me always so much that story.
When they tell me to respect other people’s believes, I always think of that case, is then OK to kill children if you say is to “calm your angered gods?” Apparently yes, fuck that no I won’t accept people believeing in bullshit.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrificio_humano_del_5_de_junio_de_1960_en_Chile?wprov=sfla1 here is the Wikipedia of the incident, seemingly there is no English wikipedia, so use translate if you don’t know Spanish.
Actually, “science” is a human activity and must care about what you think. It’s the universe that doesn’t care about either.
Science cares if your beliefs make you vote for someone who defunds research.
I irony being anyone who owns such mug does give a fuck what you believe.
Is “Neither do I” written on the bottom?
Sure does. But nature doesn’t.
Sadly a lot of people’s beliefs don’t give a fuck about science.
This is “scienceism”.
It’s referred to as “Scientism”.
yr right of course but mine sounds better.
yeah, about that…yer funding…it comes in part from some of those anti-science folk… :/
Science is a field of work, and its participants are able to think. But they don’t care what you and me think?
I say they do in the same way that I care about the world in general, but I don’t think they pay much attention to layfolks for the purposes of their work.
Everything goes through our brains and therefore filters and interpretations. Science doesn’t happen if grants are approved and that usually means someone has something to gain. Even then, results are skewed by method and biases.
Science very much does care about our feelings, both individual and collective, every step of the way. That’s why there needs to be special care to take them out as much as possible.
Plus, statistics make up the basis of pretty much all of our science. If you dig into the foundations of stats, you’ll find that it’s basically just formalizing our feelings. It just happens to be formalized in a way that appears to reflect reality accurately enough to be useful.
This is mostly shared as an arrogant statement towards laymen, but really, it’s a reminder for scientists themselves
No matter what you think or believe your experiment should yield, reality check is always waiting around the corner.
Nice, when seen in this light!
The only fuck Science gives is on/in the other end, Like at the Cortex Relay’s battle for the Truth 's broadcast.
Some people just don’t understand what some words mean. Some people think they no everything. Some people think that they are limited to any arbitrary awareness dimensions that they know of. Some people think there are only a certain number of dimensions.
Some people Fly Fire like it’s obviously the only way physics work and they they know what matter is.
Some people ask questions. Some people SkewEl and tell people they know.
Sum people just do the math ;but what dimensions is/are Math relevant to?
science doesn’t care about your feelings.
Science isn’t an ontology, it’s a method.
God, what no humanities does to a mf
Scientism is the belief that science and the scientific method are the best or only way to render truth about the world and reality.
While the term was defined originally to mean “methods and attitudes typical of or attributed to natural scientists”, some scholars, as well as political and religious leaders, have also adopted it as a pejorative term with the meaning “an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities)”.
Reminded me of this.
And a method in which beliefs are important. Not the religious ones, of course, but there are other kinds of beliefs.
Exactly. I keep trying to get people to understand that it’s a process, just like running is a process.
I have the suspicion, once you’re far enough in any field, you’ll view as a process what colloquially is considered a binary state. You’ll continue talking like it isn’t a process, because you don’t have the time to explain it all the time.
I saw this earlier and really wanted to pipe up, but I just couldn’t bear it.
Believing that science yields universally true results or is the only method of finding truths, however, is an ontology and something you have to believe.
Edit: I’m not anti-science or anything, just a pedant.
I agree with the second part of that sentence, but who would think that they discover universal truths or any truths at all? The whole premise of science is that we cannot verify anything or find any real truth. We can just show that anything else is much more unlikely to be true.
Believing that science yields universally true results or is the only method of finding truths
You just described science as though it were a belief system. In reality, science has a presumption that your ideals are false, not true. And a person who could only discover truth through science wouldn’t be able to dress or feed themselves.
Here is a video by the channel Dr. Fatima (former astrophysicist) which I think has some intersection with this topic. I may have picked the wrong video though because I haven’t watched it in months.
