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Nah.
Just returned to Debian after a few years away.
My previous distro would serve me warnings twice a day that updates were available.
But Debian?
“The machine is up and running. Now it’s your duty to check for updates. And install the programs you may need. Set things up as you want it. If you want it.”
I’m sure you could set up a cronjob to launch a script that checks for updates and sends some notification about it
Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour unattended-upgrades?
I could, if I wanted to. Running a weekly check for updates is more than enough for me.
With the latest windows 11 update they broke the shutdown feature
h o w
Some PM: “it’s Patch Tuesday, we must push the monthly update or the users will revolt, push it at exactly 10:00!”
“But we didn’t finish the tests!”
PM: “Push. It. Right. Now.”
Oh no, you cant be more wrong OP, what windows actually does is wait till you really need the PC for something. A presentation, your PhD defense, taking data in a flashdrive before leaving to catch a train.
The head-to-head comparison between the update user experience is so incredibly lopsided against Windows, that it kind of seems silly.
I bet if both have a big yearly update, I could format and install an entire fresh copy of the linux distro before the windows machine would be usable.
I can’t get over how Linux updates seem to use so much more bandwidth, though. Several GB of updates every few days…
What the hell is being updated on your rig?
interesting, I only get to spend a some megabytes updating debian.
What distro is that?
Ubuntu mostly, EndeavourOS doesn’t seem to have as much, but I don’t update it as often either so it’s not an easy comparison. Ubuntu seems to have new libraries or whatever every other day.
Idk man, I have to not update my arch for like a month to get ~10gb of updates.
Just use Slackware then.
EDIT: Just pointing out this is distro specific and not Linux specific.
Yeaaahhhh, i’m a disagree with this one a little.
It goes like that until the update changes the kernel version and breaks a video driver. I mean, it’s a lot rarer than it used to be, but our arcade box at work just got hit with it.
Windows usual fail mode (which is often) is update won’t process so it wastes an hour of your time a bunch of times and either justs starts working or requires you to dig into it and either run it manually, or clear up some cache.
Windows not booting into a gui on an update is pretty rare.
Homie, if a kernel update breaks something you can just boot back into the older kernel from grub. It literally only takes the time to reboot the computer.
Update and shutdown?
What about update and I let your pc on all night without your knowledge?
Wait, there are people whose computers actually shutdown when Update and Shutdown is selected? I swear I’ve never had that happen since 2 or 3 years ago, and everything since has always restarted my devices.
Yeah, that was the same thing with me and my windows machines for years (i think I remember it working properly at one point though). I heard they recently fixed it though.
God I forgot about that. Windows makes me so mad.
Microsoft doesn’t understand consent, not to mention user agency.
They probably do, they just see it as against their interest.
Jesus dude
That’s what it used to be. They managed to sort out their updates. Windows updates system is pretty good now. The issue is what’s included in those updates, like all the AI bloat. But that’s a different issue.
Forced updates are only an issue on corporate machines now, because it’s your IT guy pushing them and setting deadlines to update.
Also, Linux updates can completely break your system. Not often, but it can happen.
Nah, assuming that they can update cause you leaved your pc hanging is bad.
Doesn’t happen to me. Like I said, they sorted out their updates system, it doesn’t have such issues anymore.
IT Youtubers who use Linux don’t even know the difference between Windows Home and Pro. Linux subs about the same.
Considering the fact that most home users would never ever update their PCs unless forced too and then complain about a virus they got. It kinda makes sense to force people to update.
The same applies in any professional environment. Not forcing updates to clients in a professional environment is very stupid and will land you in trouble sooner or later.
There is a difference between scheduled update for security patches which the user agrees to on initial setup (and can modify at any time) alongside optional feature updates that are entirely… optional, and shoving feature and security updates automatically on the user regardless if active programs are running, without consent, and not granting an easy opt-out solution.
Windows only does that if you ignore the update prompts multiple times, which means for multiple days since the default delay behavior is to ask a day later. It’s literally in the settings, including options to have it install updates outside suer-set active hours.
But don’t let that get in the way of the realization that most people just ignore shit until the last second and then blame everything but themselves for it when they run out of options. And that the Internet jumps onto bandwagons faster than the speed of light just to feel like they’re included in something.
that’s completely unacceptable as restarting is not always an option. Microsoft can tell me all they want that I should restart if my current running process is gonna take a week to complete forcing the restart is completely unacceptable. Not everyone using this stuff is watching tiktok all day that can restart at a moments notice.
Microsoft releases their patches on the same day every month. They do this specifically for planning that sort of thing. Including giving you options in the settings to pause updates for up to 5 weeks.
And that doesn’t even get into the business-oriented options available through things like WSU to give more granular and customized update options for businesses.
If you’re doing something that will take that long… Why aren’t you using the solutions available? Is it because you never bothered to look? You just wanted to complain instead? Because that’s what it looks like when there’s a literal setting dropdown, that’s not hidden at all, that would avoid your example entirely.
From my experience, I’ve not really ran into a long running task that might get interrupted by a Windows update.
What I have ran into however is Windows update spontaneously deciding to downgrade my Intel Arc driver and install whenever it feels like! No prompt, no input from me, just installs. The only “prompt” I get is my monitors blanking out and either it blue screens or it downgrades and I get a “you need to restart to finish installing updates” notification.
Not only was it downgrading to a driver that didn’t even support Intel Arc Control for my Intel Arc card, it caused Blender renders, which can take hours to render, to crash, it crashes games, or just blue screens the whole system because GPU drivers shouldn’t be updated when programs are trying to use said GPU. It was insanely frustrating and was one of my final straws to just deleting the Windows drive entirely.
This was all with updates paused, but there was no way to disable driver updates, which shouldn’t have even been handled by Windows update for my GPU. Intel has their own updater and would actually update, not downgrade.
Granted this was also a few years ago now with Windows 10 Home. But it’s something that was so infuriating to deal with for something that should’ve been a toggle or an optional update. At least tell me when you are going to break my driver so I can close programs!
Yeah, I have never once been force updated by windows despite using it for many years. Why? Because I update my fucking computer like you should.
There’s one more big difference between Windows and Linux: Windows can only install updates while shutting down, for some reason. On Linux I boot the machine, see the notification for updates, and run them in the background while I do my own things. If the updates need a reboot to take effect, it’s a normal reboot that takes mere seconds.
On Windows, I get an update notification in the morning and either take 5 minutes to restart right then, or wait until I naturally shut down (end of the day) and have an abnormally long shutdown that (sometimes) leaves my laptop running and still not fully updated while it’s in my bag. That isn’t a security issue or a policy issue, it’s a technical limitation that results in a terrible user experience.
Windows can only install updates while shutting down, for some reason.
That information is out-dated. Hotpatching was introduced in Windows 11 24H2
Doesn’t Linux require Kernel updates quite often though? Pretty sure those require a reboot.
Sure rebooting is annoying but you only have to do it 12 times a year so it really doesn’t matter that much unless you computer runs on tape or something.
Updating servers can by experience be more annoying though due to shitty applications that need manual intervention.
But clients are no problem.P.S While not relevant to home users, windows nowadays be fully patched without rebooting for 2 out of 3 updates. You do have to pay for it with extra licenses though. I assume Linux also can be hot patched in a similar way (but maybe for free?) but normally it’s not.
Microsoft pushes too many bad updates for anyone to trust them to not push a bad update that bricks your system.
In the last 12 months alone, my team has had so many bad updates we’ve had to deal with. Just this month, there is an update that breaks a Microsoft product running on VMs…and yet they push the update anyway and we have to go through the process of reverting the update and doing what we can to prevent it from reapplying again.
Not to mention the forced restarts. I just restarted my machine less than a week ago. I get on the next day to find a bunch of stuff I was working on is now gone thanks to a silent update and reboot from the night before. No notifications saying “hey, we need to restart your device in 24 hours”. Just rudely interrupting whatever I’m doing and restarting with no regard for my choice.
The only good change Microsoft has made is not pushing incorrect driver updates. At least, in my experience. In the early days of Windows 8 when they started forcing updates, it continually would push a driver update for my laptop’s trackpad that broke functionality. I’d have to revert that stupid update multiple times each week and ended up giving up and just using a USB mouse instead after a while.
Yeah, I don’t get the “just install every update when it comes out” / “ just comply, bro” attitudes. My PC is now incapable of S3/S4 sleep without crashing thanks to a windows update a few days ago. Absolutely no way microslop gets the benefit of the doubt on anything.
Windows: for clueless people!
My (very barebones) linux desktop has no way to ask me, it’s been removed.
I still can’t get over the fact that there’s just no way to prevent Windows 11 home edition from ever rebooting automatically.
Because non-techy users would use that feature and then complain to Microsoft when their OS gets malware or breaks.
I think you’re right but I wouldn’t be surprised at all by an angry “akshually…” reply in the near future. I’ve had multiple users claim they’re windows gurus and have literally never had an automatic reboot happen to them
Windows does a lot of sneaky reboots that it doesn’t notify about before or after. I dualboot and windows is not the default OS, so when I leave windows running and come back to linux, I know what happened.
That’s some Crowdstrike.
Not quite true on my Ubuntu system. It offers to update stuff every 2 weeks (slowest time that isn’t “never”), and then wants a reboot at the end…
Cannonical (Ubuntu’s parent developer) is trying to become the Microslop of the Linux world. Just use a fork instead - plenty to choose from.
Better go one step back to Debian instead.
Fuck that reboot. It’s almost never necessary under Linux. Unnecessary, forced reboots in Windows are one of the last straws that made me fully switch my last remaining Windows system over to Linux.
At least it lets me reboot on my own time… But it is seemingly required to update some packages.
IMO they’re just being lazy. If you just reboot you don’t have to worry about resolving the dependencies for things you upgraded.
