Kde is so ugly and buggy, requiring tons of setup n knowhow to fix. GNOME feels limiting and oversimplified, but honestly 9 out of 10 times its fine… even if its setting menu infuriates on the regular.
Im old and i dont having 100 hrs to rice shit anymore
I mean, those are nice addons, but the people that ive handed vanilla gnome to whove never used linux before didn’t come screaming to me “how fo i dash to dock?!?!”
Like if thats the workflow you want, you just search extensions and customize… but none of these are required to just like sit down and do basic stuff.
Now KDE on the other hand… Just trying to find out why bluetooth or clock or volume or whatever quick access isnt where i expect on the kde toolbar. or figure out that i right click the correct “separator” to go into a separate like “widget” menu THAT IS TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THE BASIC SETTINGS APP, or whatever to set those up is just… bizzare.
People always rave about dash to panel/dock and I just… don’t get it?
Genuinely though, what is the purpose of the taskbar except to potentially you with notifications and take up valuable screen estate?
If I need to switch apps, I’m either opening the overview/mission control, switching workspaces, or the app is already on the screen for multitasking purposes.
Even on macOS I set the dock to autohide, and near exclusively just use swipe gestures, keyboard shortcuts, or spotlight.
But alas, maybe it’s just one of those things that just not for me.
It isn’t “non standard.” It is literally s part of gnome.
It’s a stand-alone tool by the Gnome developers, it’s not an integral part of Gnome.
The default UX of Gnome still make it hard for people migrating from Win10. No amount of nitpicking about irrelevant details change that fact.
Haters gonna hate I guess
I didn’t expect any other response by a Gnome fan. Keep ignoring comments like https://lemmy.world/comment/22252682 where I explained that I picked Gnome for an elderly man. I’m really such a hater that I pick Gnome for a certain use case.
I’m pretty sure you can live without the minimize button. I’ve used Gnome for 3 years and I’ve never felt the need to minimize a window. Even now after I switched to KDE Plasma a few days ago, I still don’t minimize windows.
I’m pretty sure you can live without the minimize button.
I know it’s not a big deal, but this approach is absolutely insane to me.
“Sure there’s a normal feature that a large portion of PC users use semi-regularly - but the GNOME devs don’t like it, so why don’t you just learn to live without it!”
I’m pretty sure you can live without the minimize button.
I’m volunteering in a repair café where older people bring their Windows 10 computers and seek help migrating to Linux because their PC told them that Win11 isn’t compatible.
I make recommendations based on each person, trying to realize what they wish for first if they have an idea what they want. A few months ago there was an >70y/o man. Let’s be realistic here, at this age it might well be the last PC he ever owns. So I set him up with Alma Linux (extra long support cycle) and made its Gnome desktop as Windows-like as possible. He’s not getting pressured into unfamiliar UX metaphors and no way I’m pushing software from EPEL or anything that onto him. I enabled Flathub and temporarily installed aforementioned tools to make the necessary tweaks, then uninstalled these tools again, and installed a few of Gnome’s games, Celluloid, and Chrome off Flathub.
For the rest of the day he ate cookies and drank coffee and seemed pretty happy with that setup. We invited him to come back, should he have any further questions. Haven’t seen him again.
Gnome people keep saying KDE requires so much ‘setup’ … but it really doesn’t. 95% of the time (unless you’ve got a really weird distro), the default settings your flavor of KDE ships with are … just fine. And you can use the desktop just fine without ever touching any of the settings. It has lots of options, sure, but you don’t have to screw around with all the options. It has sane defaults for a reason.
The only bug I ever see is Dolphin having a delayed startuo, and I have a bunch of file shares mounted which NFS might be causing delays. KDE is awesome, and it’s Tumbleweed so not even stable KDE.
Glad it works for ya. I know that some bugs seem to be distro-dependent, so i recognize its more stable on some… for me? Nightmare.
“Autohide” n dodge window feature of taskbar broken for several different apps, but not all. Sometimes displaces the border of the windows offscreen trying to hide
Start menu freezes regularly
Dolphin freezes n hangs a lot in general. God it took me all of 3 secs to say " I NEEd to disable that stupid bouncing “LOADING” animation ASAFP"
Sections of taskbar dead/unclickable suddenly… aka bluetooth quick acess or volume controll
Worst is a giant mesh of graphical glitching and artifacts upon waking from sleep, have to close windows, sometimes restart. Seems its a known issue w video caching for nvidia gpus (fucking nvidia, of course)
… Not a complete list. Anyway, I have GNOME installed on exactly the same pc, same distro, none of this bug shit happens.
I like gnome too. Its simple and works. The only extension I use is a weather widget.
People who need a million extensions are going against the grain of the design.
Kde is so ugly and buggy, requiring tons of setup n knowhow to fix. GNOME feels limiting and oversimplified, but honestly 9 out of 10 times its fine… even if its setting menu infuriates on the regular.
Im old and i dont having 100 hrs to rice shit anymore
I mean, those are nice addons, but the people that ive handed vanilla gnome to whove never used linux before didn’t come screaming to me “how fo i dash to dock?!?!”
Like if thats the workflow you want, you just search extensions and customize… but none of these are required to just like sit down and do basic stuff.
Now KDE on the other hand… Just trying to find out why bluetooth or clock or volume or whatever quick access isnt where i expect on the kde toolbar. or figure out that i right click the correct “separator” to go into a separate like “widget” menu THAT IS TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THE BASIC SETTINGS APP, or whatever to set those up is just… bizzare.
Surely you confuse Plasma and Gnome. To get a sane setup on Gnome, you need to install Refine to enable the minimize button and then install Gnome Extension Manager and enable Dash to Panel or Dash to Dock.
That’s an insane amount of setup work for someone who doesn’t know about those things.
People always rave about dash to panel/dock and I just… don’t get it?
Genuinely though, what is the purpose of the taskbar except to potentially you with notifications and take up valuable screen estate?
If I need to switch apps, I’m either opening the overview/mission control, switching workspaces, or the app is already on the screen for multitasking purposes.
Even on macOS I set the dock to autohide, and near exclusively just use swipe gestures, keyboard shortcuts, or spotlight.
But alas, maybe it’s just one of those things that just not for me.
…if you want
For the max/min buttons you can just turn them on in gnome tweaks
Ah yes, using a different non-standard tool makes so much of a difference.
It isn’t “non standard.” It is literally a part of gnome.
Haters gonna hate I guess
It’s a stand-alone tool by the Gnome developers, it’s not an integral part of Gnome.
The default UX of Gnome still make it hard for people migrating from Win10. No amount of nitpicking about irrelevant details change that fact.
I didn’t expect any other response by a Gnome fan. Keep ignoring comments like https://lemmy.world/comment/22252682 where I explained that I picked Gnome for an elderly man. I’m really such a hater that I pick Gnome for a certain use case.
Going to Refine instead of the age old Gnome Tweaks is an interesting way to tell how long someone has been familiar with Gnome.
That being said if you use Gnome how they want you to, you don’t need those extensions.
That way isn’t for everyone as it’s very different from what many used to but when you do get used to it those extensions will feel unnecessary
I’m pretty sure you can live without the minimize button. I’ve used Gnome for 3 years and I’ve never felt the need to minimize a window. Even now after I switched to KDE Plasma a few days ago, I still don’t minimize windows.
I know it’s not a big deal, but this approach is absolutely insane to me.
“Sure there’s a normal feature that a large portion of PC users use semi-regularly - but the GNOME devs don’t like it, so why don’t you just learn to live without it!”
I’m volunteering in a repair café where older people bring their Windows 10 computers and seek help migrating to Linux because their PC told them that Win11 isn’t compatible.
I make recommendations based on each person, trying to realize what they wish for first if they have an idea what they want. A few months ago there was an >70y/o man. Let’s be realistic here, at this age it might well be the last PC he ever owns. So I set him up with Alma Linux (extra long support cycle) and made its Gnome desktop as Windows-like as possible. He’s not getting pressured into unfamiliar UX metaphors and no way I’m pushing software from EPEL or anything that onto him. I enabled Flathub and temporarily installed aforementioned tools to make the necessary tweaks, then uninstalled these tools again, and installed a few of Gnome’s games, Celluloid, and Chrome off Flathub.
For the rest of the day he ate cookies and drank coffee and seemed pretty happy with that setup. We invited him to come back, should he have any further questions. Haven’t seen him again.
KDE is way less buggy than it used to be. I still prefer gnome but I don’t mind KDE from s stability perspective.
What is the last KDE you tried? Plasma is SO good, right out of the box.
Gnome people keep saying KDE requires so much ‘setup’ … but it really doesn’t. 95% of the time (unless you’ve got a really weird distro), the default settings your flavor of KDE ships with are … just fine. And you can use the desktop just fine without ever touching any of the settings. It has lots of options, sure, but you don’t have to screw around with all the options. It has sane defaults for a reason.
The only bug I ever see is Dolphin having a delayed startuo, and I have a bunch of file shares mounted which NFS might be causing delays. KDE is awesome, and it’s Tumbleweed so not even stable KDE.
That being said I put my family on Cinnamon.
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Cinnamon is pretty solid. I can’t wait for Wayland support.
It sounds like it has experimental support as of six months ago.
https://itsfoss.gitlab.io/post/cinnamon-60-release-debuts-experimental-wayland-support/
I haven’t run into any bugs but also I’m not the most intensive user so maybe I just don’t run into them.
Glad it works for ya. I know that some bugs seem to be distro-dependent, so i recognize its more stable on some… for me? Nightmare.
“Autohide” n dodge window feature of taskbar broken for several different apps, but not all. Sometimes displaces the border of the windows offscreen trying to hide
Start menu freezes regularly
Dolphin freezes n hangs a lot in general. God it took me all of 3 secs to say " I NEEd to disable that stupid bouncing “LOADING” animation ASAFP"
Sections of taskbar dead/unclickable suddenly… aka bluetooth quick acess or volume controll
Worst is a giant mesh of graphical glitching and artifacts upon waking from sleep, have to close windows, sometimes restart. Seems its a known issue w video caching for nvidia gpus (fucking nvidia, of course)
… Not a complete list. Anyway, I have GNOME installed on exactly the same pc, same distro, none of this bug shit happens.
I like gnome too. Its simple and works. The only extension I use is a weather widget. People who need a million extensions are going against the grain of the design.
I don’t want ‘the design’ to dictate how I use my computer.