I am seeing this pattern a lot lately, whenever a person disagrees strongly or expresses conservative/right wing views, they are told to go back to reddit.

You can say ‘Don’t bring these bullshit views to the fediverse,’ or something of that sort. I am a reddit refugee myself, and part of the Reddit API exodus. Being told to go someplace I just left due to ethical reasons feels bad. So, I want to understand why it is being used as a retort. Is it really rude, or am I making a fuss out of nothing?

Edit 1: I am NOT defending conservative views, I think that they should not be given a platform in the fediverse. I am questioning how telling them to go back to reddit is a valid response.

Edit2 : Edited the the title to better represent my question.

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    Define right wing because the last time I used that insult, it was against users spamming DNC propaganda lol

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    Speaking as a punk, it’s about keeping a community a healthy, welcoming place for the 99% of people who aren’t assholes. There’s a reason why we say ‘Nazi punks fuck off.’ It’s not just a slogan or part of a song, it’s a declaration that this house will not be used as a gathering place for people who want to tear it down.

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          You people like crying “nazi!” every time someone disagrees with you on a political issue so you can silence them.

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            The statement you replied to was specifically about Nazi punks a well documented issue? Are you fucking illiterate?

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              The problem is that people like you will lie about who is a nazi in order to silence them. This, in turn, devolves into a culture of “agree with me or leave.”

              Are you fucking illiterate?

              Lol, irony.

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                Who is people like me? Non whites? Who have I called a nazi? You replied to a post about nazi punks (a hyper well documented phenomenon) and how punks have to make it clear they are not welcome much like bars to avoid becoming nazi bars. What is your point? Nazis should be welcome? Because your spiel about mislabeling isn’t relevant.

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                  Because your spiel about mislabeling isn’t relevant.

                  Except it is. If people didn’t regularly do what I’m accusing them of, then you’d have a point.

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              ‘You people’ is typically defined by the attached action. ‘You people’ are the people who actually do that thing, whatever it is.

              If you don’t do it, ‘you people’ is not you.

              If you do do it, ‘you people’ is you.

              The point is not about ‘who’, it’s an oppositional statement about the ‘what’, the action, and implies it’s bad, or more importantly that the speaker doesn’t approve.

              Like: ‘You people, always with the child raping.’

              If you don’t rape children, ‘you people’ isn’t you.

              But also, the speaker is implying that child raping is bad, or something they don’t approve of, and something they don’t do.

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                I see. It makes more sense this way, cheers

                The way it read initially was that anyone using the word nazi did so as a silencing manoeuvre. “You people” sounds derogatory to me, I don’t like it. It lumps people together and waves away individuality.

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          What about it? People disagreeing with you doesn’t mean they aren’t tolerating you. They would need to ban/censor you in order for that to happen.

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            People disagreeing with you

            That’s not what OP was on about. They were talking about nazism. That’s not a differing opinion, a valid stance, or something to even remotely consider. Nazis aren’t “people disagreeing with you”

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              You would have a point if people didn’t call their opponents nazis on these forums just to get them censored.

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                Not sure what you said, your last word was censored. In any case, you’re off-topic. Read from the top.

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                  No, I’m right on topic.

                  Saying “nazis aren’t welcome” is akin to “agree with me or leave” in an environment where people call their opposition nazis just to have them censored.

                  This is that environment.

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    Conservative/right-wing views have absolutely nothing to do with it in my books.

    This is a smaller community with seemingly slightly more accountability, or at a minimum, decency and respect for our fellow humans and internet citizens. The majority of the animals on reddit because behave like 10 year olds in a COD lobby - hiding behind internet anonymity to act like complete assholes, and be as rude and disrespectful as they possibly can, because they believe there will be no consequences.

    When I see someone behaving like that, seemingly unable to carry on a civil conversation, I do not hesitate to suggest that they go back to Reddit if they’re going to behave like those people. We do NOT want this community to devolve to that level. It is not a serious suggestion that they return there - it’s more so an invitation to examine their behavior, and maybe take a step back, and look at this community overall vs. that community overall, and give some consideration to maybe behaving like a mature adult instead. Spelling it out that way when dealing with those kinds of people typically just encourages them to double down though, so it gets wrapped up in that little retort instead.

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      If you want to invite them to reexamine their behavior… Actually do that, not the other more aggressive, offensive, and immature thing… Then play it off as something more.

      ‘fuck you!’

      ‘fuck me?’

      ‘no, no, that’s not what I meant!’

      Just say what you actually meant!

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    I mean, it’s intended to be an insult because the implication is that Reddit sucks.

    I personally never understood the “Redditor” insults.

    Reddit is just a forum directory with an infinite feed. You can find cringey weirdos but there’s also subreddits for potted plants, chess, home improvement, etc. which are pretty mundane and low drama.

    I left Reddit for similar reasons, but I still use it sometimes for troubleshooting and advice in the IT/Programming space.

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    whenever a person disagrees strongly or expresses conservative/right wing views

    That makes sense. Usually the people who get mad when someone isn’t loyal to their cause is unhinged with delusions of grandeur.

    The Fediverse is for everyone.

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    Redditors self-police their speech to fall in the window of acceptable debate. They are deeply brainwashed but have no idea of it because Reddit moderators ban anything not deemed “acceptable speech” by their media overlords. Hence they will spam the term “tankie” if someone for example tells them that killing the Iranian leader will only end up like killing Saddam in Iraq.

    In the wise words of pedo-Zionist:

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        Chomsky famously hated Marxists and never bothered to study Marxism enough to understand what dialectical materialism means. For a scholar who made a career of shitting on socialism in real life, this alone should tell you how unserious he is.

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        It’s not if you know the forbidden Reddit terms. Try saying anything anti-Zionist on mainstream Reddit subs and you are banned in half a second by automated bots.

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          That actually got me a temp ban here once, as well.

          It was even a nuanced “both sides are human” take, not Hamas is awesome. I know, I wasn’t expecting it for that either.

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            “Nuanced” Both sidesing in the face of a genocide? Condemning the oppressors and oppressed in equal measure? Do you not see the issue with that?

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                Both sidesing genocide is still bad even if you are “debunking” hard-line pro genociders. If your position is anything short of Israel shouldn’t exist it’s liberal Zionism. You should have nothing but support for the liberation movements of oppressed nations even if they don’t fit your pr standard.

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                  Sure. Please explain that to whichever mod is the Zionist. Maybe I’ll actually speak out against it again, then.

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          Ooooh I wanna try this.

          Kill Slave Owners.

          Murder Slave Owner.

          Absolutely turbo murder kill slave owners in real life no cap.

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    “conservative/right wing” views are basically nazi views. calling this mindset “different views” is like calling child rape “different tastes”–it starts and finishes as complete bullshit. it’s not a different view, it’s a fucking wrong view.

    people with these “different views” are in support of a corrupt pedo rapist fascist fucking con man, and we just bombed a school full of children. there is no echo chamber in support of any of that here yet, and honestly, if/when that becomes the case, i’ll be going somewhere else.

    also, are you a right winger, on .ml?

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      I didn’t mean to say that conservative views are just different views. I phrased my initial post badly, sorry. I mean to say that this retort is used also for differing views. A few days back, I was asked to go back to reddit because I questioned the US-limited view of politics. I don’t think my view was conservative. I was just thinking in what situations this retort is used.

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        you will find juvenile trolls on whatever platform you use, especially as more and more people join. fediverse is no exception. “go back to reddit” is the new “touch grass.” whatever rational explanation there may be for people lashing out probably isn’t worth the effort to understand. best advice is to ignore and/or block people who are making you read this much into their ranting.

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        They are simply different views. Don’t get swayed by the nuts around here. Ya just ignore their extremism and accept that genuine discourse on politics isn’t done here.

        It’s great for everything else tho.

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      dude, chill. this is not how you convince someone right wing that they are wrong (if this was ever your goal). I thought Lemmy was supposed to be a place for discussions allowing both parties to make their statements. if we will just shit on right wing here this place won’t be much better than reddit is.

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        Most instances have rules against bigotry and exclusionary behaviour, which rules out a lot of “statements” from one side…

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          Then you rule them out on those basis, not their general ‘right wing’ classification.

          Include everyone, but exclude specific content.

          The ‘go away’ or ‘go back’ BS is exclusive, not inclusive, and should be moderated similarly to bigotry.

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            You know, I kinda don’t give a shit if I upset someone who thinks some people don’t deserve the same basic rights they have…

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        “Nazi pedophiles should have the right to explain their views and debate the merits of raping children and killing people for being different than them”

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          even if all of them are pedophiles, you need to talk to them if you want best for this country: you need to change people’s opinions through discussions. this is the only way. It’s other half of the country. if all of them are pedos then we won’t have enough prison cells.

          I don’t understand why right and left just isolate themselves from each other: half goes to reddit, half goes to Lemmy. we need to have a platform where both parties can talk to each other and change others minds on things. and Lemmy is much more suited for that.

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        I’m sorry to say that you simply dont ever convince someone that theyre wrong. Especially online. In my opinion, the only hope this place has of being better than reddit is by not tolerating that ‘just asking questions’ shtick.

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    Short answer? It’s normally used against conservatives, but cliques and purity politics (both literal politics and not) do come into play on occasion.

    Longer answer: Lemmy was originally founded by a bunch of Marxist-Leninists and socialists of similar stripes (that’s what the .ml stands for), and early adopters often made up some form of minority group/outcast - LGBTQ and the like. This has led to a very zero tolerance policy towards conservative “talking points” and the usual bag of tricks that they employ when attempting to colonize an area/group. Especially as Reddit has further enshitified, but even before then Redditors were generally thought of more in terms of r/the_Donald subscribers rather than as disparate groups from across the political spectrum.

    There are of course the “joined Lemmy before it was cool” groups who resent the growing popularity of the platform - especially after the Reddit API exodus that brought you and me here - but I think they’re largely relegated to the parts of Lemmy that most of the instances defederated from. Some of those places are basically the leftist equivalent of 4chan, and would absolutely use it as an insult if you failed their political belief purity tests.

    In short, basically everybody would use it for a Trumper, but a small few might use it on me if I were to say something like that I think that dbzer0’s support of genAI inherently makes the instance pro-corporatism so long as they’re the ones benefitting from stealing labor from workers, and an even smaller few would probably use it simply because I started using Lemmy during the Reddit API fiasco.

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      Longer answer: Lemmy was originally founded by a bunch of Marxist-Leninists and socialists of similar stripes (that’s what the .ml stands for)

      Technically .ml stands for Mali, and was chosen because the domain is cheap. Ended up being a bit of a funny coincedence.

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    I would guess that if your politics is based on selfishness, some might consider that antithetical to the idea of a fediverse.

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    I think the Right Wing Playbook series on Youtube explains very well why we shouldn’t suffer alt-right and fascist style argument anywhere. They are not in good faith and don’t contribute anything to the marketplace of ideas.

    True conservative thought has a place but that is very very rare to see anymore.

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        “Conservative” as a valid train of thought never existed

        They’re all rich men with delusions of grandeur who want to maneuver rubes into magical thinking about holy ideals and how cooperation is evil because it’s not what nature intended, so they can rob them blind for their own gain.

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    Your question basically amounts to “Why are people being excluded for holding exclusionary beliefs?”

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      I am sorry if I worded this post badly, but my question is why is this phrase ‘go to reddit’ is used? You can simply tell them that their problematic views are not welcome here. Downvote. Report the comment. Why use ‘Go to reddit’ as a slur?

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        it’s not a slur, it’s a signal that that the poster types like they’re on reddit.

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        Maybe it’s a feeling of resignation that there are people that’ll just stay the way they are, no matter what action you take.

        Maybe it’s confusion; why did they even leave reddit if they just want to say reddit things?

        Maybe it’s a defense mechanism, after becoming accustomed to people attacking you for your views on every other platform.

        Maybe its maybelline?

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    Lemmy is older than the Reddit exodus, and historically had stricter moderation. When the exodus happened, the OG lemmy users saw the newcomers as rude at best, and various forms of bigots at worst. So ‘go back to Reddit’ is short-hand for ‘such talk is not welcome here’.

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      But that is unironically reddit behavior to use such insulting and dismissive language rather than saying… “such talk is not welcome here”.

      Immaturity shouldn’t be acceptable, even from the “correct” opinion holder.

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        It’s kind of typical human behavior. People love forming little groups and then wailing on any outsiders to them. It feels good.

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          Which is exactly why it shouldn’t be condoned or supported.

          When your motivation doesn’t extend past stupid ape brain, you’re doing it wrong.

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      Yeah, but at that point it was pretty much a ghost town. The only acceptable commentary to some people is whatever they type to themselves.