The answer is: It’s basic, Windows/Android-looking, and it’s not Ubuntu with snap and shit
And for me it was right. I left it after some time with it, when it served as a comfortable middleground for a Windows escapee. I needed it to feel security in my pretty extreme choice, not to bounce back in the first weeks. Only then I felt like I’m staying there and can explore different things and actually know what I’m looking for.
At first, Mint gave a relief in having a simple visual software manager (~app store) that had both regular versions and flatpacks, where I first encountered the critical difference between the ways you can install the same app and underlying mechanics of dependancies etc. Then I got to know app images, that are less android-like and more windows-like in a sense you download executable files and fire them up. Having some problems and needs I started to google around, saw frequent mentions of archwiki, AUR, pacman, etc, and it just went on.
But for a little while I feared it’d be a neverending challenge, it was comforting to know, that it would just work on the basic level, for browsing, surfing web, playing games. And that I can then pick my challenges to serve my needs. Like a safe zone where most MMOs put their newbie players at first to learn the basics.
Its a good beginners distro. The default desktop environment is very windows 7-y. It has a great out of box experience with everything having a GUI. It’s built on Debian (um ackchyually Linux mint is based on Ubuntu unless you’re using mint Debian edition. Ignore the fact that Ubuntu is a Debian distro itself) which is incredibly stable with most updates being small bug fixes or security patches with the biggest updates being infrequent.
It was easy to move relatives to from windows without much effort, have done it multiple times and it ran fine for years with the only issue I had to support was cleaning up a boot partition that filled up after several years of automated updates.
because it works perfectly on all my hardware, it’s fast, and has keyboard shortcuts I already know.
I’ve tried popOS (lots of graphics issues, terrible shortcuts, REALLY BAD software manager (runs on 1 core only in 2026. wtf??? it’s slow as hell), and cachyOS (lots of hardware issues, no sound, keyboard shortcuts must be some weird alternate language because none of the ones I know worked).
Mint is awesome. Anyone hating on a Linux distro is a chud. Well, we can hate ubuntu for their canonical reason i suppose.
If you are recommending a first time Linux user a distro, the goal isn’t to find the perfect one tailored for them, the goal is to get them to use Linux and not have a bad experience, putting a bunch of upfront conditions on choice is overloading
Distro hoping can happen later
I think the obsession part you are referring to isn’t their love for Mint or them regarding it as the best distro. It’s like someone asking which direction they should take to drive somewhere, there’s a sea of people responding with different routes with tiny differences and the Linux Mint response would be “Whatever the GPS decided”
Me either. I have tried it multiple times over the years and I did not have great luck with things “just working” as everyone claims. Plus I hate the windows style DE UIs so it seems like a weird choice that so many people will recommend it and tout it without even asking follow up questions.
Plus I hate the windows style DE UIs so it seems like a weird choice
The average user hates the changes involved in switching away from the windows distro. The thing you hate about it is an objectively good reason for recommending it to a new user.
I have tried it multiple times over the years and I did not have great luck with things “just working” as everyone claims.
I have used it for several years now (with multiple sets of hardware) with no issues. Every single Linux version is going to have something it can’t handle. Linux mint is stable and handles most stuff just fine. A bad experience is possible anywhere, so this isn’t really a good reason to not recommend it for new users.
Every single Linux version is going to have something it can’t handle. Linux mint is stable and handles most stuff just fine.
If you’d like to know that Mint can’t handle…
*raises hand*
6 monitors connected to 2 GPUs – one old Radeon and one 3090. I tried Mint and it could not handle that setup, no matter what I tried doing to it. Currently on Ubuntu, which worked with that setup right out of the box, no tweaking necessary.
Yeah I’m not saying it’s the worst distro, I just don’t think my multiple experiences with it remotely align with the reputation.
Regarding the UI, I think people want familiarity and even think they want something with a design like that. But in practice the similarities are only skin deep and to me if they’re already going to need to learn all the ways it differs from windows, why not put the same effort into learning something that also varies superficially from windows (just in a different way than mint)?
I think the real reason people recommend mint is, while deep down they know users will have a better time on Ubuntu, they cannot stand the idea of recommending that company’s product directly.
I think the real reason people recommend mint is, while deep down they know users will have a better time on Ubuntu, they cannot stand the idea of recommending that company’s product directly.
I have no guilt when I say Ubuntu, and their managing company, have pulled enough shit over the years that it’s not a good first choice for a new user.
But in practice the similarities are only skin deep and to me if they’re already going to need to learn all the ways it differs from windows, why not put the same effort into learning something that also varies
The average user never leaves the web browser. The average gamer never leaves the web browser and steam. Skin deep is as far as most people ever go.
I have tried it multiple times over the years and I did not have great luck with things “just working” as everyone claims.
This is why I don’t like recommending LTS distros for anything other than servers. The Linux kernel and desktop software moves fast these days, and running 2 year old kernel and DE means missing out on the fixes and improvements that the “it just works” people are talking about.
Yup. People need to understand that “stable” is not a synonym for bug-free.
As you said, DEs in particularly move so fast that the rare bug that makes it through and is subsequently quickly fixed is much less problematic than sometimes years of missing features and longstanding bugs that don’t get backported.
I do not understand why lemmy is obsessed with this distro
The answer is: It’s basic, Windows/Android-looking, and it’s not Ubuntu with snap and shit
And for me it was right. I left it after some time with it, when it served as a comfortable middleground for a Windows escapee. I needed it to feel security in my pretty extreme choice, not to bounce back in the first weeks. Only then I felt like I’m staying there and can explore different things and actually know what I’m looking for.
At first, Mint gave a relief in having a simple visual software manager (~app store) that had both regular versions and flatpacks, where I first encountered the critical difference between the ways you can install the same app and underlying mechanics of dependancies etc. Then I got to know app images, that are less android-like and more windows-like in a sense you download executable files and fire them up. Having some problems and needs I started to google around, saw frequent mentions of archwiki, AUR, pacman, etc, and it just went on.
But for a little while I feared it’d be a neverending challenge, it was comforting to know, that it would just work on the basic level, for browsing, surfing web, playing games. And that I can then pick my challenges to serve my needs. Like a safe zone where most MMOs put their newbie players at first to learn the basics.
Its a good beginners distro. The default desktop environment is very windows 7-y. It has a great out of box experience with everything having a GUI. It’s built on Debian (um ackchyually Linux mint is based on Ubuntu unless you’re using mint Debian edition. Ignore the fact that Ubuntu is a Debian distro itself) which is incredibly stable with most updates being small bug fixes or security patches with the biggest updates being infrequent.
…then just use debian…
It was easy to move relatives to from windows without much effort, have done it multiple times and it ran fine for years with the only issue I had to support was cleaning up a boot partition that filled up after several years of automated updates.
I’m not seeing anything unique to mint. That reads like, “I tried it and it worked”
We’re talking linux. “It just works” is something relatively new lol
Honestly that’s a big part of the fear of changing OS. If it works why something else. Users with specific use cases are rarer.
because it works perfectly on all my hardware, it’s fast, and has keyboard shortcuts I already know.
I’ve tried popOS (lots of graphics issues, terrible shortcuts, REALLY BAD software manager (runs on 1 core only in 2026. wtf??? it’s slow as hell), and cachyOS (lots of hardware issues, no sound, keyboard shortcuts must be some weird alternate language because none of the ones I know worked).
Mint is awesome. Anyone hating on a Linux distro is a chud. Well, we can hate ubuntu for their canonical reason i suppose.
It’s like Windows 2000 with good software. What’s not to understand?
Its got the highest success rate with new users that are not hobbiests. And a good distro to learn Linux on because of all the Ubuntu guides.
If you are recommending a first time Linux user a distro, the goal isn’t to find the perfect one tailored for them, the goal is to get them to use Linux and not have a bad experience, putting a bunch of upfront conditions on choice is overloading
Distro hoping can happen later
I think the obsession part you are referring to isn’t their love for Mint or them regarding it as the best distro. It’s like someone asking which direction they should take to drive somewhere, there’s a sea of people responding with different routes with tiny differences and the Linux Mint response would be “Whatever the GPS decided”
Me either. I have tried it multiple times over the years and I did not have great luck with things “just working” as everyone claims. Plus I hate the windows style DE UIs so it seems like a weird choice that so many people will recommend it and tout it without even asking follow up questions.
The average user hates the changes involved in switching away from the windows distro. The thing you hate about it is an objectively good reason for recommending it to a new user.
I have used it for several years now (with multiple sets of hardware) with no issues. Every single Linux version is going to have something it can’t handle. Linux mint is stable and handles most stuff just fine. A bad experience is possible anywhere, so this isn’t really a good reason to not recommend it for new users.
I’ve tried many distros. Nothing you’ve said is unique to Mint.
Just don’t use Manjaro.
If you’d like to know that Mint can’t handle…
*raises hand*
6 monitors connected to 2 GPUs – one old Radeon and one 3090. I tried Mint and it could not handle that setup, no matter what I tried doing to it. Currently on Ubuntu, which worked with that setup right out of the box, no tweaking necessary.
that’s a very weird setup that like .001% of the pc owning population probably has though.
I know, I know. Just in case anyone was wondering what Mint can’t handle.
Yeah I’m not saying it’s the worst distro, I just don’t think my multiple experiences with it remotely align with the reputation.
Regarding the UI, I think people want familiarity and even think they want something with a design like that. But in practice the similarities are only skin deep and to me if they’re already going to need to learn all the ways it differs from windows, why not put the same effort into learning something that also varies superficially from windows (just in a different way than mint)?
I think the real reason people recommend mint is, while deep down they know users will have a better time on Ubuntu, they cannot stand the idea of recommending that company’s product directly.
I have no guilt when I say Ubuntu, and their managing company, have pulled enough shit over the years that it’s not a good first choice for a new user.
The average user never leaves the web browser. The average gamer never leaves the web browser and steam. Skin deep is as far as most people ever go.
This not a condemnation, but it’s important to be aware of the differences between the average user, the average gamer, and the average Linux user. https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/
This is why I don’t like recommending LTS distros for anything other than servers. The Linux kernel and desktop software moves fast these days, and running 2 year old kernel and DE means missing out on the fixes and improvements that the “it just works” people are talking about.
Yup. People need to understand that “stable” is not a synonym for bug-free.
As you said, DEs in particularly move so fast that the rare bug that makes it through and is subsequently quickly fixed is much less problematic than sometimes years of missing features and longstanding bugs that don’t get backported.