Pornography restrictions being codified into law, adult art being restricted from most Lemmy instances, Tarot readers blotting out the nudity on their cards on Reddit.
I’m watching the Magicians, on Amazon, and I use subtitles. All the curse words are purposefully filled in with random letters, so as not to offend the reader.
What’s up with all the prudishness? Can people knock it off, please?
People have vaginas. And titties. And dicks. And asses. They swear. They drink. They fuck. Why is this generation afraid of that? Acknowledging these things isn’t going to increase your chances of being sexually violated. So, what’s the deal?
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Yep, and it’s a real problem imo. People are becoming afraid of sexual content. As someone who’s been involved in free the nipple (a feminist movement aiming for the acceptance of bared breasts outside of sexual contexts), who’s done nonsexual full nudity in various forms, and also has engaged in orgies, this prudishness really concerns me. Sexual and body liberation are part of women’s liberation and general freedom, including in thoughts, expression, and action.
Sexual frustration, fear, resentment, and immaturity is also a part of fascistic thinking and I believe it’s a contributor to the modern far right. Love and pleasure are becoming more stigmatized than hate and pain. Accepting that it’s ok if art or someone’s actions are more sexual than you’d like so long as it’s not targeting you is vital.
Like obviously I appreciate NSFW tags, just because I acknowledge breasts can be nonsexual doesn’t mean I want to accidentally have them pop up in my feed at work.
Also lol at censoring the magicians, one of my favorite shows and a prime example of a show that loses a ton of characterization and theming by censoring it
yes they are, US religiosity and prudishness is coming for us all.
It’s been a slippery slope, Bush had aid pinned to family first values, Obama had Hillary tie aid to stopping sex trafficking, (not on Epstein’s island though apparently) reads well in the news… alas it played out in the streets of Cambodia that women with condoms were jailed because why else you need condom unless you’re a hooker ? also gave them a reason to stop and frisk women. My partner and I were living there back then, what a fucking mess.
Yes. Sex and politics are not welcome anymore in conversations.
Yes, they are.
I think at least part of it is a backlash against the proliferation of pornography (its shocking just how prolific and how degrading porn actually is compared to the ‘good ‘ol days’). A lot of youngsters were first confronted with porn as children through their smartphones.
But a lot of it also has to do with changing attitudes towards woman and sexuality. We’ve had corporations marketing woman and teen girls as sex objects for decades now, but we now also have an increase of violence against woman and we have the manosphere and far-right extremists campaigning against basic woman’s rights like abortion, equal pay and whatnot.
So I guess the real question is, are more people taking offense of nudity because of their conservative beliefs? Or are more people viewing nudity in popular media as a means of sexualizing (and thus degrading) women?
sexualizing (and thus degrading)
That core attitude is a big part why I can’t respect this new secular Mormonism. There’s nothing degrading about sexualization. The very idea of it is tied to the idea that a woman’s worth is tied up in her virginity, which is a concept born from the patriarchal ownership of women. Sexualization is only degrading to property because it reduces the value of the property. Anyone who claims they don’t see women as property but that sexualization does degrade women is incredibly confused.
The sexualization is not a problem on its own the objectification that often comes along with it is as well as the “unspoken” rule that only allows conventionally attractive people to be viewed in a sexual context.
People don’t lose their personhood by being, acting or shown in a sexual context but many do absolutely not view it that way.
The problem i see is that since this mostly happens in visual media without context all meaning it could have is more often than not lost. If sexual content was created with a positive attitude we would see much more diversity. It is very obvious that it caters to people objectifying the protagonists and therefore its not that easy to blatantly approve of it.
This should off course not translate to shaming people in general but it should trigger nuanced debate and action.
The point I’m trying to make isn’t about sexualization of women in and off itself. Woman have the right to celebrate their sexuality and there’s plenty of nutjobs that still haven’t come to terms with the sexual revolution.
But what I’m referring to is the hypersexualization of women present in things like adverts, music or film. Prior to the MeToo movement you couldn’t walk a block without spotting an highly revealing or highly suggestive advert of a woman.
Back in the sixtees, the sexualization of women served to promote ideas about the sexual revolution, bodily autonomy and reproductive rights. But decades of commercialization have reduced these ideas simply to “sex sells”.
The thing that makes the hypersexualization of women degrading imo is that it reduces women to a subject of lust, while deflecting any criticism under the pretends that women should be free to express their sexuality.
I was invited to an orgy on a yacht this year, so maybe it’s just certain areas.
So how did it end? Was there a timer or was it “last man standing wins” kinda thing?
Asking the real questions
How was it?
Probably more pussy than stamina / ‘servicing’ too short to satisfy.
I find the wanton sexualization of the 80s and 90s almost wholesome compared to whatever the fuck is going on these days. Sex is too important to be relegated to porn - but that seems to be the mission now.
We’re allowed to have heaps of gratuitous violence, action, and misery in our art - but for some reason sex/nudity has this unique obligation to directly progress the plot (if it can’t be removed altogether). Sex apparently can’t just be part of character development, themes, world building, or just gratuitous fun, anymore without giving these fucking prudes the ick.
I remember going to the UK as a teenager back in the early 2000s and was culture shocked by the lack of violence. It was just so different, it was more shocking then the extra sex.
Very much so.
I am Danish. A lot of our culture and humor used to revolve around the naked body and sex. This has totally changed within the last 20 years.
My personal theory is that social media censorship of anything sexual is the reason. America exported their prudish culture and it is erasing our culture.
It’s changed like that in America too
I mean, might just be preferences of the audience too. What’s funny changes.
Nice to see you absolving yourself of any responsibility for importing the culture.
So far, this is most degenerate argument I’ve met on lemmy.
Oh, just fuck off
This comment is dumb in so many ways it hurt my little brain.
Your brain hurts because it was forced to think :(
You are in no position to be criticising anyone’s mental abilities
Different people have different reasons.
Small group of real prudes: either actually feel this way, or hold various levels of opinions, or are generally ambivalent to sexual content but have decided to construe sexualization with sexual misconduct. It works; no sex, no sexual misconduct.
Then the advertisers cater to those people because they don’t want to get bad press and want the broadest appeal: non sexual things appeal to prudes and non prudes alike: so make everything non sexual. Avoid offense and maximize eye balls.
Then platforms want to attract advertisers, so they make rules and filters that over reach. Afterall if nothing is remotely close to sexual then we don’t chance there being an Ad next to something sexually offensive.
Then the content creators, whos livelihood depends on the unequal relationship with the platforms self censor to attempt to avoid the broad stroke of platform censorship.
The middle ground then becomes vacant. The sexual but not sexually offensive content gets thinned out. So there is less and less of a reason for platforms, or advertisers, or creators to allow, endorse, or create that content.
This is why vocal opinions of small groups hold so much sway today. The cycle feeds into itself as people whos only interaction with sexual content is hardcore porn generally fall into that second “ambivolent but lets avoid it just to be safe”. This pipline then has a complicated but similar relationship on the political side of things.
It’s really all our faults. The first time someone used the phrase “horny jail” unironically and wasn’t slapped into the following week, we invited this. The first time someone complained about a sex scene in a movie and wasn’t shunned from their entire social circle and relegated to hanging out with the Boomer ladies at the local church, we began building the world we’re trapped in.
And the people in here defending this new secular Puritan paradigm all sound fucking insufferable. It doesn’t matter if you’re an upright prude because your gullible enough to think sex makes God angry or if you’re an upright prude because you think it’s a feminist position. Either way you’re still a jackass who’s clinging to a sexual morality invented by bronze age goat herders to maximize the prices they could get for selling their teenage daughters to their middle aged friends.
The first time someone used the phrase “horny jail” unironically and wasn’t slapped into the following week
Maybe I’m incorrect but I always thought this came about because people went so ridiculously in the other direction where their dopamine-receptors were completely captured by pornhub, that it was a polite way to bop them on the nose for being a gross gooner in completely non-sexual contexts.
Like anything amusing on the Internet though, it simultaneously started to mean everything and nothing at all, I guess. Lol
I agree. The places on the internet where the phrase “horny jail” or similar phrases are used tend to skew towards having more men than women. And turns out women (and plenty of men!) are not comfortable with a post about how AOC is opposing data center construction and there’s a bunch of comments about how hot she is. The idea is to create a space where people may not feel comfortable can be comfortable that is appropriate to the purpose of the thing. Most of the “prudishness” and censoring OOP and others are citing relates to sexualization in places where there are specific reasons not to sexualize. Just because you can’t be weirdly sexual when talking about like, news of the day doesn’t mean someone else is being prudish, come on.
their dopamine-receptors were completely captured by pornhub, that it was a polite way to bop them on the nose for being a gross gooner in completely non-sexual contexts.
Even if true, I stand by what I said.
Anyone not radically sex-positive has the same effect on society as a whole as the most vehement anti-porn crusader, because puritanism is the cultural default anywhere the spiritual descendants of those bronze age goat fucking child sellers have been able to rule (almost everywhere now).
It’s forced on us by rich Christians
I’m watching the Magicians, on Amazon, and I use subtitles. All the curse words are purposefully filled in with random letters, so as not to offend the reader.
IANAL, but in my opinion this violates the “functionally equivalent services” test of the Americans with Disabilities Act Title IV, and in a just world they would get hit with a massive lawsuit.
Both someone hard of hearing and a fan of that show (which incidentally was some of the best deaf rep I’ve seen) it’s such an offensive thing to do. We deserve word for word captions at a minimum (and none of that “speaking Spanish” bs), we should also have access to captions that include speakers, non verbal sounds, tone indicators, etc.
But also that show uses sexual content and profanity as crucial artistic elements. The long term trauma of rape is a major theme of early seasons. Multiple characters use sex as a means of distracting themselves from their life and thoughts, some use it as the only vulnerable connection they can have.
IANAL
Banned for profanity
I feel like half the captions are AI now and are pretty shit. In a few more years it’ll be illegal to have a disability.
Closer to 90% I’d say if not more
No. These things come in waves. We’re certainly on the prudish side of the cycle right now, but the modern prudes are a far cry from the prudes of yesteryear.
The world propensity for prudeness is trending down on a macro scale, but we are also at a point where the existing prudes have consolidated and are the strongest they’ve been in the short term.
adult art being restricted from most Lemmy instances
That one is probably a liability issue. Especially a problem with real-life porn, but even with drawn material, you’ll often get characters which don’t look like adults. So then the mods would have to review each post, which is too much work, and they’d also likely see shit they’d rather not.
Considering this platform is mostly volunteers, if not fully, it’s just not worth it.As an admin, spot on. People don’t realize that as an admin I and liable for what goes on on my instance. Both financially and criminally. They can kick down my door for things posted, so of course I ban any NSFW, and I have still seen things I wish I could unsee that people have posted.
I always welcome others to spin up their own instance though. They are more than welcome to host it themselves, under their name.
They can kick down my door for things posted, so of course I ban any NSFW
It’s all part of the authoritarian backsliding the world is suffering right now. Big centralized services can shield themselves with laws like Section 230, while wielding the threat of prosecution like a cudgel against small operators that aren’t “legitimate” in the way that big companies get treated and can’t afford the effort it takes to guarantee compliance.
So instead, most would-be operators cave to the chilling effects and users are driven back into the thrall of the big tech propaganda and control platforms.
We don’t need every instance to be a porn site tbh. Lemmy nsfw exists doesn’t it? You are welcome to make another one but its also fairly reasonable to understand some don’t really want to bother moderating a porn site.
To be clear, OP didn’t say “porn” on Lemmy, they said “adult art”. There are contexts in which nudity is not pornographic, but I assume it’s easier to just ban it all and not take any risks, than to judge the artistic merit of each upload before deciding whether it’s too over the top.
The inverse problem exists for creators on yt who make animations that are not kid friendly. Google’s bots love to tag them as for children, and thus demonitize them.
Plenty of instances do allow nsfw content as well though. The important thing is its up to the person running it what they want to bother with moderating and the kind of communities to encourage.
I doubt you would see GasGuzzlersRollingCoal to be particularly welcome in slrpnk.net for example.
I wonder if it isn’t a reaction to the number of people blocking all NSFW content? Like if most of your users don’t want to see porn in literally every other post and just block all NSFW as a quick workaround, then the headaches inherent in moderating adult content become much less worthwhile.
And without either blocking specific instances or blocking all NSFW, sometimes over half of “all” is porn.
I’m not anti porn but I find it hard to wrap my head around a user who is equally enjoying half their feed being hardcore videos, 1/4 memes and 1/4 news, all equally and simultaneously. Like “I’m on the bus reading a news article about the economy then I’ll check out 30 seconds of FP blowjobs and then oh, someone posted about a labor strike”? Who is that?
Yeah… Uh, what kind of freak would have their feed like that?
This was me on reddit and tumblr for most of the 2010’s and it was totally awesome.
Every time anyone was like “omg why are you looking at porn” I was just like “omg why are you looking at my phone” and they would immediately shut up.
The way lemmy works it makes more sense to just swap to a seperate instance and user and keep your nsfw seperated. Better than depending on apps/frontends having an easy way to filter it.
I think its hilarious. Just annoying because of societal prudishness meaning its considered inappropriate in public places and work.
So what’s the worst that could happen if some fake artistic character doesn’t have its drawn tit censored?
If that “fake artistic character” is a minor, that’s CSAM in some jurisdictions, and that leaves the instance admin legally on the hook for a whole range of offenses which are punishable by incarceration, huge fines, and/or life on a sex offenders register, and in some places, chemical castration.
So yeah, not near as fucking innocent as you make it out to be.
I didn’t make it out to be anything, I asked a question.
And what idiot country would not just give a warning and say remove the drawing if someone was offended?
I doubt they would use all these draconian punishments as if they didn’t see any difference with someone raping a baby and putting it online.Because CSAM isn’t something you should be giving ‘warnings’ about.
If you’re drawing something that could be construed as CSAM then you need to have a word with yourself but we’re all adult enough to know that some people just like testing where the line is, or knitting where it is and remaining just shy of it then feign ignorance.
Because CSAM isn’t something you should be giving ‘warnings’ about.
Obviously.
But I think the problem lies in “could be construed as CSAM”.
That is subjective.
I think because it’s such a heavy thing people are extremely paranoid and overreacting/self-censoring their art.
Not into manga/anime of which I know some is definitely over the line but for the rest I have never encountered drawn art (w possibly minors) of which I saw the intention as getting sexual pleasure from it.Anyway, this extreme subject aside people are definitely becoming more prudish IMO.
It’s driven by advertising money. YouTube people self-censor their speech out of fear of being demonetized.
It’s not even that. People get reported for posting porn if it’s The Birth of Venus or David, whether YT, Mta, R**it, and the far right parent groups’ members that are having books pulled off library shelves.
Heads up: Your self-censoring instead did some unintended formatting (everything between two asterisks/stars formats to italics, between two double-asteriks it formats to bold)
I unbelieve it!
