• Pantherina@feddit.de
    4·
    8 months ago

    Rolling release?

    I want revolving release, every one is a russian roulette to destroy my system

    • KISSmyOS@feddit.de
      1·
      8 months ago

      Arch is the least buggy distro I ever tried.

      Except for Slackware maybe. Slackware has literally no bugs. If it doesn’t behave like it should, it’s your fault.

      • Darthjaffacake@lemmy.world
        1·
        8 months ago

        I broke my install by updating it, I get that if you perfectly understand what’s going on then it has no bugs but that’s really not my experience. A lot of the time something will break and it’s easy to say “I should’ve known it was this so it’s my fault” but really if you didn’t expect it to work a certain way and it breaks it’s not a super stable system.

        • KISSmyOS@feddit.de
          1·
          8 months ago

          My Ubuntu broke literally every time I did a version upgrade. It’s probably better now, but I’m not going back.
          The last system that straight up broke for me was a default installation of Debian Stable, and that wasn’t long ago.

          I understand Arch isn’t easy to use or maintain.
          But in my opinion, if you use something wrong and it breaks, that doesn’t mean it’s unstable. And if you update Arch by simply hitting “pacman -Syu” every day, you’re doing it wrong.

          • Darthjaffacake@lemmy.world
            2·
            8 months ago

            But if lots of people use it wrong and break it then maybe it’s too obtuse. I broke one of my applications by upgrading packages. The solution? Install the package again, I thought the package manager would take care of stuff like that but if it’s meant to be me then I think it’s a bad system.

            • KISSmyOS@feddit.de
              2·
              8 months ago

              I always find it kinda weird when people criticize free software.
              Like, the developers make something, give it to you for free, pay for server space so you can download it for free, and then you say “it sucks”.
              OK, just don’t use it then.

              • Darthjaffacake@lemmy.world
                2·
                8 months ago

                Criticism and hate are two different things. I hate windows, I can criticise parts of arch Linux which is so far my favourite OS. Me not liking part of it or the way it works doesn’t mean there’s another version that is completely perfect and I should just shut up and use that. Also no it doesn’t suck, but updating my system and having it break is a problem I should not be having.

    • BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      8 months ago

      Yeah, this kind of misunderstands what debian is. If you wanted newer bleeding edge stuff you wouldn’t be using debian. Debian is all about the stability.

      That said, Debian Sid or testing (the bleeding edge system that 13 will come from) may move to 6? Debian 12 was last year so 13 would be in 2025, so it seems likely 6 will make its way into the bleeding edge versions if people really wanted to use it. But there are better options for most end users than using test versions of major distros.

      • bisby@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        8 months ago

        Debian is not all about “stability” in the sense of “doesn’t crash”. Debian is all about consistency. The platform doesn’t change. That means if there is a bug that crashes the system for you… it’s going to consistently be there.

        For me, it was when stable was on kernel 3.16, and 3.18 was in testing, but the latest kernel was 3.19. And this was an era where AMD’s drivers not fully OpenGL compliant yet. Which meant games would crash. And knowing “this game will always crash until 3 years from now when we finally get a newer kernel” was enough to chase me off.

        debian’s neovim package is 0.7.2. Sid is 0.7.2. Experimental is 0.9.5… If there are any bugfixes between 0.7.2 and 0.9.5 that are critical for your workflow… too bad. If its not a “security” release, its not getting updated. You can live with knowing the bug.

        “Never change anything, stick to known good versions” only works if you know 100% that the “known good version” is actually bug free. No code is bug free, so inevitably the locked down versions in Debian will have still some flaws (and debian doesn’t backport bugfixes, they only backport SECURITY fixes). For most use cases, the flaws will be minor enough to not matter. But inevitably, if a flaw exists, it affects SOMEONE.

        If you actually want to do any sort of complicated computing, debian is not a great choice. if you want a unchanging base so you can run a web browser and processor, I’m sure it’s great.

        • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          0·
          8 months ago

          Debian is not all about “stability” in the sense of “doesn’t crash”. Debian is all about consistency. The platform doesn’t change.

          Yes, that’s what ‘stable’ means.

  • VARXBLE@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    1·
    8 months ago

    Made the switch on EndeavourOS this morning and so far so good. I was hesitant to update to Wayland because I’m still a newb and heard there were issues, but my system is AMD based so no problems (yet).

    I like it

    • lemmeee@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      8 months ago

      I think most people complaining about Wayland nowadays are just Nvidia users. I don’t have any problems with it on my AMD GPU.

  • SpaceTurtle224@lemmy.world
    0·
    8 months ago

    What distros have more up to date packages than Debian but aren’t as bleeding edge as arch? I’m looking for an in between.

    • excitingburp@lemmy.world
      1·
      8 months ago

      Apparently the upgrade (including configuration) is incredibly smooth. Those interested in tinkering with the vanilla experience have had to install it in a VM.

  • Ilgaz@lemm.ee
    0·
    8 months ago

    I understand it won’t be trivial but I wonder if, theoretically, a team can ship & maintain a KDE 6 “flatpak” or “snap”

    I mean in technical terms, not that they would with the non technical mistakes Ubuntu keeps doing.

    • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      0·
      8 months ago

      But why would you choose a distro like debian if you wanted the newest untested shit?

      You’d do much better with Fedora, Arch or other hasty adopter

      • Ilgaz@lemm.ee
        1·
        8 months ago

        It will be isolated in its own directory, as I said I think distrobox.it+neon+, own home will be a far better solution of course. I keep hearing Flatpak is adding snap-like deeper features so I wondered how far it went. About the KDE 6 being unstable: I think they wanted to ship something out and for people preferring stability, 5.x LTS will be there for a long time.