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Two semi disabled folks here, the services are a godsend but I always tip. People don’t tip here, our last rider said we were the first tip in 3 days. :(
How often do you use delivery?
Once or twice per week, give or take, mostly for small supplemental grocery orders. I have a shop that’s close but sometimes I just can’t.
Every three days if I had to guess
Conservatives would say that without this exploitation they wouldn’t have a job so you should keep paying these companies.
“Exploitation”? I hope you mean specifically the money these people are making, not the service instead - as the meme seems to suggest?
Outrage successfully manufactured!
(It’s far more racist to assume only minorities work for Door Dash than it is to imply whatever the fuck this shit tier meme is trying to say)
It’s far more racist to assume only minorities work for Door Dash
Yeah agreed. Racial profiling is still racial profiling, using euphemisms like “lower class” and “minority” instead of the usual slurs doesn’t make it okay.
Agreed. Granted, it’s anecdotal, but everyone bringing my food (though, it’s been about 10 years) was (or appeared to be) white and all had a better vehicle than me.
My anecdote is that I’ve received Taco Bell orders from luxury cars and dudes on bikes who can’t speak English.
It turns out everybody is in need of money lately. I know the point of the language in OP is meant to point out a bad mentality, but when there’s no effort to emphasize it (i.e. quotation marks) then it feels to be in bad taste.
Not sure where you’re from, but it is becoming increasingly common in the West that non-white immigrants from the global south tend to do delivery jobs. It’s not necessarily that it’s racist, it’s just that locals don’t want to do these jobs and immigrants do them instead.
Yeah? And who’s making them do these jobs?
Might as as well do a meme about cleaning floors in public buildings. Or working in a fast food restaurant.
I think part of it has to do with the fact that the jobs don’t require you to speak English. I’ve also seen a decent share of deaf food delivery people for the same reason.
I’ve also seen a decent share of deaf food delivery people for the same reason.
That is news to me. It is actually sounds equitable to me to give deaf people such jobs. It reminds me of when the South Korean Supreme Court ruled in favour of only allowing blind folks to become massage therapists in S.Korea, because it is only one of the few jobs that blind people could do without being hindered by disability and have a means for living. And it doesn’t make the client feel uncomfortable if the massage therapist can’t see well so it’s a win-win for everyone. The policy is actually a legacy of Japanese colonialism, which is only one of a handful of colonial policies that proved to be a net positive for Korea.
I live in the PNW. And most of the time when we get DD, they’re white as the driven snow. So, if we’re using anecdotal experience- I’d say it’s the opposite.
Maybe it’s best we all start learning that the world isn’t just what happens on our own doorsteps.
I could say the same to you. It’s a broader trend that migrants from global south do plenty of delivery jobs. I’m not trying to discount your experience, but there are exceptions and outliers when it comes to statistics. Since you mentioned you are from PNW, just look across the border to Canada, and an often complain by racists is Indians working in convenience stores or delivery. And I’m like “what are you complaining? Who’s going to do delivery for you or serve you in shops?” Same thing here in Europe, Indians working in convenience stores and South Americans delivering. The racists complain of poc migrants doing low skill job and not integrating, and yet can’t live without ordering migrants to deliver food for them or working in shops. Britain has had issue of shortage of truck drivers after Brexit, especially during the pandemic. You’d think the white Britons who voted to leave the EU would learn their lesson, and yet they are close to electing a far right, anti-immigrant party that cosies up to Russia into power.
and this is why we shouldn’t allow anecdotal experience to take the place of factual information.
Are you saying black people were enslaved? lowkey kinda racist bro 😬
What???
We prefer the term “hard-working individual entrepreneur” - those apps, probably
“Make”? Are they not being paid?
I don’t use them myself but if someone wants to pay someone else to go pick up food for them who gives a shit?
I use Krogers delivery sometimes now. Prices are all the same as in store, and I don’t have to drive there and back. If I pick a strange time for delivery, say 2-3pm on a Tuesday, shipping is like $1.99. It would cost more in gas for me to do it myself, and if you order $200 worth of groceries, it saves a lot of time.
There is no way they are saving money doing it, it must just be to scrape up the possibility I don’t stop at ALDI because it’s closer to me.
Kroger also for the time being uses hourly paid workers for their delivery and I hope they stay that way. I really dislike the whole independent contractor crap that most of these delivery apps do and ends up just hurting the workers at the end of the day fighting over what little tips and etc.
I think that service is still subsidized by the stores. Also it’s very different from having a single meal delivered instantly. Grocery deliveries can be made by a whole truck for many houses.
Yeah the refrigerated truck I’m sure helps during the summer
If the middle man app wasn’t so exploitative, I don’t see what the issue is.
We’ve had delivery as a middle class job for decades with milkmen and paperboys, the issue is that those jobs aren’t paying living wages anymore.
Okay, that’s just plain ol’, made up non-sense. No one in the USA walks
Duh
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The way you’re proud of 30 minutes of walking a day basically confirms their point.
I can’t see their comment but everyone should get some exercise in their day. I take a bus in my town which I acknowledge isn’t available to 90% of rural communities but getting out, even in the winter, and walking is good for you. I usually bike in the warmer months, again not always the best option in single family communities. Don’t blame me for Big Oil robbing you of fundamental ease of transportation
I wasn’t trying to ridicule or sound dismissive (but I accidentally did, I swear it wasn’t on purpose), it was just a bit funny to me that 30 minutes of walking a day counts as “actually we do walk around, even though I live in the most walkable county in the country”. Not funny in ha-ha sense, more like funny in “what the fuuuuck” sense.
While I think these apps are exploitative on both sides (exploiting laziness/convenience and exploiting workers), I think implying that people who use delivery services are racist, classist, or both, is a very “internet” thing to do.
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas. A little walk in the real world, as opposed to Lemmy or Twitter or Bluesky, might help rebalance things.
Consider folks with disabilities or those who don’t own cars. I really don’t see the problem of a delivery service like DoorDash or UberEats that would pay its workers a living wage.
The reason those are unethical is that they don’t treat their workers as employees, and don’t pay enough. If someone started a generic-delivery service that used employed workers that are paid a living/thriving wage, didn’t request tips, had set fees, had customer service reps, and maybe had workers wear cams while on the shift as a security measure… would that not be worth supporting?
Hey, I totally agree with you.
The concept behind these apps is fine, even helpful. I’ve used these types of apps when I’ve been unwell and couldn’t get to the shops. I’m not forgetting people who are disabled. I don’t own a car.
I agree, an app that provided a similar service that took care of its employees would be fine. An app that provided a similar service without jacking the prices up massively and pushing junk food would be great.
I know and agree with you that the poor treatment and underpayment of workers is a problem.
Yes, of course your alternative app would be worth supporting.
We do not seem to be in any disagreement here.
If we all stop using the app, does it benefit these gig workers?
No, but the social conditions that allow the gig economy to even exist hurts gig workers. As usual, a systemic issue is being framed as a matter of consumer choice.
No.
am I at lemmy meme.ml? lol
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas.
Don’t worry I will have to go to my horrible laboring job.
The kind that only lower class minorities work? /s in case it wasn’t obvious
Yes that one. Literally mostly lower class minorities. Why the sarcasm?
Are you familiar with the clip of that person saying like, “Well Mr Trump, if you deport all the Mexicans, who will clean your toilets?”
I’m only asking cos this feels like the same situation. I think you’re pointing at a wider problem which is legit, but the way you’re expressing it is really hamfisted.
I think the problem here is that I didn’t make the meme and wouldn’t have made it about minorities. I think it’s bad that someone has to deliver food for a bad living, no matter the race.
But I find a lot of people here are making excuses about how they really really need their nuggies delivered by people deliberately kept poor and they can’t just put frozen ones into the oven themselves.
Ha, yeah I’m on board with your second point, man.
Thank you that’s nice. There have been special situations, where even I have ordered delivery. Also not everyone needs to have the exact same rules for this as me.
But still, I see this with acquaintances as well: Those who can afford it start using a lot of the working time of poorer people.
Walk 10 mins…? What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away. The nearest fast food to me would be like just shy of a 2 hour walk at an avg pace.
For most people getting anywhere is like 8-12 miles here in America if not further.
I am so glad to be living in Seattle. I have at least 2 food trucks at breweries a 2 min walk away, sometimes 4 trucks. There’s also a Chinese place we love going to once a month for their to go boxes that’s about 6 mins away. But don’t live downtown or apartments all around (not that it would be bad, just making a point). It’s great to be walkable without all the noise.
Other cities need this but we gotta get rid of suburbia and most lawns really.
Pretty much every country except for the USA seems to be a bull shit magic fantasy land. At least when living in any kind of larger city.
As an European, this is bullshit. 10 minutes walking (5km/h) is 830m, living at 415m in walking distance (not air) from a restaurant is statistically unlikely for anyone not living in a city center. Let alone actually having more than one choice.
The US is doing very badly. Growing up it was a 3 mile walk to the nearest gas station let alone anywhere that served food.
Usually was unsafe to walk that since there were no sidewalks and I’d be charged by at least 3 dogs in the way.
One time I tried to start exercising and decided to walk down my road. I had a cop circle me for 20 minutes, and 3 people offered me a ride which was nice but they were so confused that I was just walking
Canada is the same as USA in that regard. The only restaurant in 10 minutes walking distance to my place is Wendy’s. Anything good is 30 to 60 minutes walk or 5-10 minutes drive.
I can walk to a spot, but it’s 15 Minutes there and then again back, plus getting dressed, plus waiting for my order. I could order pick-up of course, but at that point I would have to use the same app I can use to get it delivered. Can I spare an hour for dinner? When I’m meeting someone, of course. Several even. But when I just need to eat something, I’m not going to.
This may not necessarily apply to you, but those 30 minutes of walking would do wonders for the overall health of your average American.
Can I spare an hour for dinner?
If it’s more affordable for you to order someone else to drive through the city to bring you food that someone cooked for you then there’s something nefarious going on.
If it makes more sense to focus on your specialization while paying somebody who specializes in local food delivery to do the delivery… No, yeah, that kinda sounds right. The actual issues I see here are not valuing the labor of delivery and getting too lazy, and maybe an issue where people are generally too time-pressured to take a break to get the food.
Wdym more affordable? I pay extra. I buy an hour of lifetime for like 3€. Sounds like a great deal to me.
This was the biggest culture shock I saw moving to NORAM, and other is MRP(maximum retail price). Back home, nearest convenience store sells an item at same price as any other place except for bulk grocery.
Hi, yes, that’s a very USian issue. We here don’t believe in the separation of residential and commercial areas.
Sim City taught me that causes something called “congestion “ and the sims get pretty pissed about it.
Seems like USAians are very happy with congestion.
What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away.
The American mind literally cannot comprehend the default state of being in Europe
Yes we are so used to living in hell
Plus this meme is literally an example of European brain being unable to comprehend American City planning (or lack thereof)
Also there are smaller towns in more rural Europe where it is a pain just to get down to the Main Street in the village where all the stores are. But you won’t hear about that on Lemmy.
I come from a teeny tiny village in Germany where, when I still lived there, the only commercial establishment was a bakery and I think that’s gone now too. It’s not because of any deliberate planning though like they seem to do in the US.
I love my 20 minute walk to the train station where the train I need to go into town only runs once an hour! What ever could you mean?
Honestly though I still like i better than the US, but i do miss the convince of driving
My lazy as SIL and her boyfriend will doordash food that’s a block away from the house.
Ok, just replace the word “walk” with “drive” and the point still stands for most of the rest of america. In fact it shows even more laziness as driving is much easier.
I’m in New York City. There’s maybe a dozen food places within ten minutes. There’s more, but some of them may be in the 15-20 minute range. Several million people live here.
What hell do you live in that’s so remote?
Literally any suburb.
Anywhere that is not a city? Each time these things come up, I become more and more convinced that city dwellers have no clue what it is like to live anywhere else.
I was asking which specific hell they live in, but clearly I did not phrase my question clearly.
I become more and more convinced that city dwellers have no clue what it is like to live anywhere else.
It’s just that the vast majority of people live in cities. So whatever some rural people are doing - good. But maybe y’all need to cook and not expect some poor person to work 80h/week hauling your soggy fast food around just to break even - that’s not far from slavery.
If you can regularly afford delivery you’re certainly way better off than them.
Yes and no, most people do live in cities (if we’re still talking about the US), but a minority of those cities are actually walkable. And many cities are limited in what areas are walkable.
It’s hard to find data on this obviously, so I can only speak anecdotally. Take a city like Dallas for example the core portion can be walkable, but it very quickly turns into un-walkable sprawl. Cities like Seattle and New York are very walkable. Then you have cities like Jacksonville and Orlando that are absolutely un-walkable.
I’d wager that more population lives in this un-walkable areas since the cores usually host buisnesses instead of apartments
The idea that the core of Dallas is walkable is hilarious. There are portions of DFW that have been specifically curated to be walkable, but they’re usually akin to a theme park. You drive there, park in a giant parking lot (or worse, just endless strips of store front parking), then walk around what is effectively an outdoor shopping mall.
Ok but if cities are not walkable, just don’t get food delivered on the regular.
You really just have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?
A city may contain as few as 1 person. Cities are not defined by their total population or by their population density. Large cities are NOT the norm. You’re the exception. You’re the special case. You’re privileged. You’re rude. You’re out of touch. Maybe travel.
A city may contain as few as 1 person.
not true
(5) The term “city” means (A) any unit of general local government which is classified as a municipality by the United States Bureau of the Census or (B) any other unit of general local government which is a town or township and which, in the determination of the Secretary, (i) possesses powers and performs functions comparable to these associated with municipalities, (ii) is closely settled, and (iii) contains within its boundaries no incorporated places as defined by the United States Bureau of the Census which have not entered into cooperation agreements with such town or township to undertake or to assist in the undertaking of essential community development and housing assistance activities. Source
- 42 USC § 5302(a)(5)
Absolutely no population requirement
You’re a privileged person who has no idea what you’re talking about. You need to get out of you think that is the norm.
I think you’re just duckspeaking words like “privileged”.
You live in like one of the top 10 cities in the world. Shut up. Your experiences don’t trump real people’s real struggles.
What kind of place do you live?
Why does one of the most populous cities experience not count?
Why are you so emotionally invested in this?
Do people in large cities not struggle? Why do you think one set of struggles trump another?
Are you alright, dude?
Why does one of the most populous cities experience not count?
You insisted everybody was wrong because you’ve lived a different experience and that your experience is the “true” experience.
You’re a narcissist jackass. Instead of taking any amount of time to think about others and their experiences you immediately went to you and your experiences and attempted to negate others experiences.
NYC is not “a city” it’s fuckig NYC. You have almost nothing in common with people who live in “cities”. You’re a special case and if you cannot realize that then you are incredibly thick.
You could have said “Damn that sucks. I live in NYC and …” but no you said “I live in NYC. You’re wrong”.
You’re very angry and not worth the time to engage with further. I’m sorry for anyone in your life. Goodbye.
Man, I grew up in the country and I feel like it took practically no time to get what city living is like (currently live in one). You really are proud of having no idea what other ways of life are like? It’s supposed to be rural people that are the ignorant ones.
No, I was asking about which specific hell they live in. edit: not specific like “give me your address” but like, suburb, countryside, whatever. Maybe I shouldn’t post before breakfast.
Fair enough, but honestly 99% of the places you can live in America are like that or worse. Your mind would be blown if you took a road trip in the American southwest. I drove on one highway in new Mexico that didn’t have cell service for a 2 hour stretch. More than an hour between gas stations. And I actually saw homes people lived in out there.
I’ve lived in the suburbs and traveled around the US a fair amount. I think sometimes about a time I was in suburban Illinois, and we were like “maybe we can order some food.” Opened up google maps and it was a wasteland. I think there was like one KFC open in the area.
My mind is more blown by why people defend living like that. Or actively choose it. It’s a horrible kind of place to live.
Ok, fine, sometimes there are tradeoffs. A guy I know bought a house out in the sticks someplace in the northeast. Has a yard for his kids. It’s not too expensive. But it’s a long-ass drive to get anywhere, and there’s nothing to do. Not a trade I would make.
I think we are pretty much on the same exact page actually. Having grown up in a place that pretty much is a wasteland but is also far from the worst place, I also wonder how anyone chooses it. But on the other hand for a lot of people it doesn’t feel like a choice even if it technically is. Some people just can’t imagine leaving their friends and family behind.
If I had my perfect living situation, I would live in the woods but still be a safe 20 min bike ride from a bustling city. That would be the best of both worlds imo. Seems like a pipe dream really, other than maybe in Colorado, sort of. Denver didn’t seem like it would be my favorite city when I briefly visited.
Almost literally anywhere other than where you live.
well I have like 10 restaurants within 10 mins walk…
One of the “perks” of living in poor parts of a city is having fast food within walking distance.
Then you’re a privileged person who shouldn’t be shitting on people who don’t have it as good as you.
No I’m not I just live in a different country. Still poor, I would be the person working this job if I didn’t have another bad job already.
Money is not the only form of privilege.
There are 8 billion people on this world. You and your experiences account for about 0.000000012% of the human experience. You’re absolutely stupid if you think your experience is anything like what others are. You live in a privileged city as a privileged person. You can talk about workers right without being a complete and utter ass clown about it. Please learn how to.
Do you not understand you and your experiences equates to fuck all to me nor anybody else besides yourself and or those in close proximity to you.
You’re a narcissist clown who would rather shove his fingers ears in his ears and keep feeling superior then realize that that is NOT the norm for almost everybody.
You would rather deny people their own experiences than admit your experience is not universal.
You are the epitome of “boomerism”. It’s all about me and I’m always right.
You can talk about yourself and your experiences. That’s fine. What you can’t do is be a privileged insufferable cunt about it and insist that your experiences trump every else’s.
I hate to be the person to throw a brick into a spinning washing machine, but chill out.
You’re probably talking to somebody who would agree with you, someone who would be a friend.
You have a lot of absolutely righteous and justified anger about a situation that they’re attempting to make light of. I can see how you would take that personally. I also would take it personally if I were in your shoes.
Even though this situation is what it is, it’s still a good idea to attempt to drizzle a little honey on the words that you use to communicate it with them so that you can pull them to your side and explain your reasoning without pushing them out of the social group, right?
And send a billionaire a third of your dinner money while you’re at it!
B bb but my parents haven’t taught me how to cook 50 cent of pasta with homebrand sauce :(
Who ask for delivery from a store that’s 10 minutes walking?
More like one hour walking, any food would be long cold before I come home. And I don’t own a car. The delivery comes usually by motorcycle in something like 5 minutes in an specialized bag that keeps warm.
Who ask for delivery from a store that’s 10 minutes walking?
Me when I am way too sick to cook let alone move
I recently did that due to a leg injury and the fees hurt more than the leg. (I’m getting better)
I’ve got friends that work on the corporate side of DD, and they tell me it’s super common for people to order things from places even closer than this. We figure it’s likely people that are high, but disabled is another possibility. Oh, and people in hotels ordering from places they can see from their room lol
Who ask for delivery from a store that’s 10 minutes walking?
A lot of tech workers in San Francisco. They get paid enough that the $20 in fees doesn’t mean much and lazy / overworked enough to not go and get it themselves.
I assume door dash makes most of there money of those customers, rich / upper middle class people in big cities, as those people are the ones willing to pay the outrageous fees they charge.
Well look at Mr(s) Fancy Pants living somewhere walkable!
white poor people work door dash all the time….
btw, MLK Jr started the poor people’s campaign shortly before he was assassinated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People’s_Campaignwhite poor people work door dash all the time….
sure and it’s a shitty job for them as well
Two things can be true. It’s a shitty job, but a job nonetheless, and we can also want those jobs to be less shitty.
Have you ever actually spoken to a gig worker? Because this comes off as some really strange white knighting.
I wish that jobs like this were higher paid.
I’m disabled, and thus sometimes when I order food in this way, it’s because it’s literally the only way for me to access food. That means that in a sense, delivery workers are important components of the complex network of social care infrastructure, and that makes me all the more angry at how exploited these workers are.
I tip generously when I’m able to, but often that’s not something I can afford. There’s not very much that an individual can do to improve the working conditions for exploited workers, and that’s true regardless of whether the person ordering the food is disabled or has some other need for delivery or someone who is just doing it for the convenience. It is possible for people to be able to order food for delivery at relatively affordable prices, and for the delivery workers to be sufficiently compensated for their labour, but that will require political change to counter the systems of oppression. Systemic problems can’t be solved through individual action
Cute you still think they’re a lower class than you.
the system thrives in creating subclasses so everyone can feel superior and want to preserve the system, less they become like “them”, because they are better than “then”.
I am on the side of every single working class person. Be that person without papers or a white male doctor. As long as they both have to work to subsist.
Unless the doctor orders DoorDash, of course.
That fine but unless you own capital we’re all in the same class. We gotta trade our time or health to survive.
That’s what I said!
The meme doesn’t say that which is the context evryone else here is in.
