Every time I read a complaint about having to do the dishes or working a dumb job, I like to imagine the complainer making their case to the kids who work 16 hour days to make their clothes.
Considering that is that capitalistic hellhole to cause you to walk piles of corpses. Yeah.
why is it always a piefed.ca account??
You’re allowed to be critical of capitalism even if you dont have it worse than everyone else on planet earth. Shocking I know.
This is huge “hmmm, yet you participate in society” energy and is exactly the kind of thing the owning class want you to think like, probably has been paid for and spread by and for capital
You absolute fucking pillock
Are you
aware
that you are spending energy complaining about the tone of online discourse
when others have it worse?
Did I say it’s the worst thing that’s ever happened?
Pointing out something accurately is not the same as saying you live in a capitalist hellhole, despite living a more comfortable life than almost every other human who has ever lived.
So, who is allowed to criticize the status quo, ever? By this logic, only one person on planet earth is entitled to criticize capitalism
Heads up, you might have had a glitch or mistype while replying there!
“Yet you benefit from living in the imperial core. Curious!”
I think you missed the point?
To put the meme to which you’re responding in this context would be like the king in the background castle complaining that nothing on Earth could be worse than his castle only having two turrets.
No, it would be like the king saying “feudalism is bad” and then you saying “AND YET YOU HAVE A CASTLE WITH 2 TURRETS! HMMMMM CURIOUSSSS”
feudalism is bad. That’s still true if you personally benefit from it.
White supremacy is bad. I personally benefit from it. If I were to criticize the way white supremacy has shaped society as a white guy with a corporate job, are you going to then tell me “well you should shut the fuck up, you have it great what are you talking about!”
If Warren buffet tomorrow said capitalism is bad, he would be correct despite being the CEO of capitalism
Just because someone has it worse doesn’t mean you don’t have it bad.
I assume this is also your view when millionaires and celebrities complain about the struggles they face?
Who are you doing this for man? Do you think if you post enough reactionary nonsense your boss is gonna give you a raise or something?
Do you really know so few people with a different viewpoint that the only option in your mind is that someone’s hoping for remuneration? Kinda like how Republicans insist everyone protesting ICE is a paid protestor.
But, if you’re concerned, I work in a non profit and get paid just fine. If money were an issue, I’d work in the private sector.
I asked who you were doing it for. Not who’s paying you, dumbass.
I can’t imagine why someone would be voluntarily carrying water for billionaires
the only option in your mind is that someone’s hoping for remuneration
Do you think if you post enough reactionary nonsense your boss is gonna give you a raise or something?
Maybe read a bit more closely you silly Billy!
Oooooooh good try, but you see unless the person you are doing it for is your boss (the question I actually posed) then it’s meaningless.
The question was. Who are you doing this for
Do you think if you post enough reactionary nonsense your boss is gonna give you a raise or something?
Yes. Life isn’t a competition. I can have empathy for anyone.
WTF is this shite
People have worse than you therefore you shouldn’t challenge the systems that made it so instead of just rolling over and complying, Dog.
Calling your pampered life a capitalist hellhole isn’t challenging the system, it just sounds like childish whining, devoid of substance or merit.
Pointing out specific issues and raising awareness of them is, however, challenging the system. It may not be major, but resistances start small.
Some people aren’t aware of the infringements on their liberties and the systemic exploitation under which they live. Anyone who is aware should be bringing that to light however they see fit.
Pointing out specific issues and raising awareness of them is, however, challenging the system.
Maybe look at the post again? “Living in a capitalist hellhole” is the example given and in the body the examples are complaints about a dumb job or washing the dishes.
Serious valid complaints don’t make sense in context of the meme.
Equating privileged childish whining with actual criticisms of society seems like a bizzare choice.
Working a dumb job is a quintessential part of living in a capitalist hellhole.
I mean, breathing is a pretty essential part of it too.
But, just because I breathe doesn’t mean I’m in a capitalist hellhole.
If you really think our pampered lives are hellholes, then you should read more about the rest of the world and/or history. To anyone with a speck of knowledge though, this sort of take just makes us sound like a toddler complaining how everything is unfair because she has to brush her teeth before bed. (A complaint I heard issued while babysitting my friends’ furiously adorable 3 year old with her mouth full of toothpaste. It took everything I had to not smile and laugh.)
Who’s pampered lives are you talking about exactly? The black kids in the school to prison pipeline, living in food deserts?
The day labourers and farm hands working to the bone for pennies because their immigration status makes them easily exploitable?
The women being forced to give birth, in a society that charges you money to give birth. And then demands you return to work the next day? Is it any of those?
What about burnt out corporate cogs who ostensibly make a “good living” because the number is higher than in the past, and they have paid vacation, even though they can’t use it and 2/3rd of their paycheque goes to pay for someone else’s mortgage? How about them?
Teachers making poverty wages while working free overtime and feeding, clothing and supplying the less fortunate kids in their classes out of their own pockets?
I mean, I’ll happily admit to you that Taylor Swift’s life isn’t a hellscape, since you seem taken with her. But she still lives in one, it’s just that she has the means and resources to ignore it.
Is it Taylor Swift existing that invalidates critique of capital? Or is it that were better off than the past? Or something else perhaps?
We’ve almost always been “better off than the past” at every point in history, when taken on a long enough timescale over enough people, even before the advent of capitalism. Similarly, there were filthy rich robber barons who exploited people and became rich beyond imagining in the past too, and also predating capitalism.
So, what is it?
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I end up explaining this a lot:
Just because something ‘more X’ exists, it does not mean things that are ‘less X’ cease to exist. If someone else has been murdered somewhere in the world, it doesn’t mean non-consentual gropings are to be ignored. If your older sibling was given three slices of pizza, it does not mean you will starve with your two slices. The fact that we have a concept of a googleplex as a number does not mean the number one is meaningless.
Whether something is good or bad, it remains good or bad, regardless of its scale.
And complaining about things, though annoying, is the best form of feedback we can hope for. If something is wrong, no feedback leads to the continuation of the thing being wrong. If people complain, something can be done to fix the issue. If people take direct action to end the problem, that’s usually violence.
By diminishing people’s ability to complain, you are advocating for either ignorance of harm or violence.
Would you prefer they not complain at all and ignore others’ problems?
I’d prefer we complained in ways that didn’t make us sound like benighted children. When we do so, it makes it hard for anyone to take actual critiques seriously.
When I babysit my friends’ toddler, I’m not surprised when she howls at the injustice of not being allowed ice cream for dinner. But I also expect her to grow out of it.
Yeah, things could be better. But the fact is that almost everyone on here is living more comfortably than most humans who have ever lived.
So, because things are better than before, we must accept the status quo? We can’t want to improve further? Especially nothing that while we might be better off than the past, inequality is rising, governments are cracking down on freedoms and we don’t feel were being given a fair shake at life when compared to those who own the land we all live on?
You’ve kind of just written the same basic misunderstanding repeatedly, so I’ll just answer here.
The point, which you’re missing, is that when we complain in ways that make us sound like benighted children, it makes it hard for anyone to take actual critiques seriously.
There are absolutely valid critiques, important and fucking essential critiques. **But ** claiming you live in a capitalist hellscape while you live a life of luxury unimaginaeable to most humans who have ever lived, well, that makes you, and by extension the Left, sound, at best, like an ignorant child.
Consider how dumb it sounds when Republicans claim that any climate action is an attack on American Freedoms etc. It sounds stupid and makes you discredit any sort of actual critique about some perhaps ineffective climate mitigation etc.
You also keep saying the same shit over and over again, including “benighted children” for some reason.
Nobody is comparing anybody to the past. The present is better than the past because of the hard work of humans to make it that way.
I’m not sure who you are or where you come from, but most of the west is indeed a capitalist hellscape. Yes, it’s very different to being literally enslaved to mine lithium as a child in the Congo. However, being told you have it a lot better than Congolese slaves while you effectively have no real agency over your life, that you will largely spend grinding a meaningless job to afford to survive in a society that can comfortably feed and house and educate everyone, is a hellscape.
Whether you ever want to admit it or not, your entire argument is just that hellscape is too mean a word to describe indentured servitude, because slavery exists
Sorry, benighted means intellectually unenlightened. Think of it as a term meaning ignorant, with some other connotations but that’ll suffice.
most of the west is indeed a capitalist hellscape
Yeah, that’s just a silly take.
If there’s no frame or context, then anywhere with anything that you dislike in any way is a hellscape, e.g., Taylor Swift’s life is a hellscape because she can’t go into a casual restaurant without being hassled.
If you live better than almost anyone who has ever lived, like Swift does, complaining about living in a hellscape is pretty silly.
You are absolutely fucking tedious.
What can I say? People are awful. It’s why I avoid them.
I agree, I think we’re pretty awful.
But the hope is that memes and jokes like this make maybe one or two people put their sillier grievances into perspective.
Aww, I remember feeling hope, too.
So that’s how silly I sound when I say that.
Regardless of how grumpy an old man I am, I should stop saying that.
You should. I’ve said it too much and now not even Billy Bragg and the Murphys singing “All You Fascists” can’t get me hype.
Life isn’t a pissing contest.
There will always be someone with it worse.
Oh you were molested as a kid. Well this other person was gang raped as a kid.
Oh you were gang raped. Just once as a kid.
Well this other person was trafficked and raped for years.
Oh you were trafficked and raped for 5 years.
Well this other person was also trafficked and raped for 10 years and also beaten every day.
See how that “what about” b.s is not helpful. ?
Injustices are not dismissed because something worse happened to someone else.
Unfortunately we all live on the same planet being turned into a hellhole by capitalists, some just have more corpse piles to deal with than others
I’d strongly recommend reading about the world. For vast swathes of humanity, it’s better than ever before. An easy quick one is Hans Rosling’s Factfulness.
I get that for some of us, our parents had cheaper houses, but holy God, more people are moving out of poverty and living better lives than ever before.
Where are these people moving out of poverty more than ever before, specifically.
The wealth disparity between the capitalist class and the working class in America now is worse than it was in France during French revolution.
The only reason “more people are moving out of poverty” is because we literally have more humans now.
You would totally be telling the French to shut up during the French revolution, because literally slavery exists somewhere else.
Did it cross your mind that the reason so many people have to walk by piles of corpses is because of capitalism. Because war and exploitation is profitable to those in power.
