Democracy can’t tolerate a lot of things that are actively happening. Most of these things are legal, and frankly, with all of the suffering and murderous actions, concern trolling over the single time the shoe is on the other foot in class warfare is about as dumb as Trump supporters thinking that because Trump was indicted that they’re coming for them next. I felt safer with the murderer abroad. Everyone without gobs of money or perfect health should have.
I find it a bit hypocritical to complain about murders while advocating murder. No problem on my part. It’s not that I care. It’s something that everyone has to debate with their own conscience.
I don’t think it’s hypocritical to want someone committing a 9/11 scale murder yearly while a legal system nods in approval to stop murdering, but from a low power perspective there’s not much to be done about that. The system has been changed from a justice seeking system into a class warfare tool by the elite. Change would be better, but in this system, change comes from above. If the powers within the system are scared, some of them will flee to the moral position to spare themselves the risk. Power that’s brokered through fear is still power, it’s peak liberal to say fear must remain untapped. They would and literally do kill people like us every day, empathy is precious in late stage capitalism, I’ll reserve mine for people who’s suffering isn’t karmic.
Actively killing someone =/= someone dying by an avoidable cause of death
The legal system isn’t created by the rich. Sure they can afford lawyers and have a higher influence in politics. The country is still a democracy but the people have to vote in their best interest to get better healthcare. Systematic change is needed, so the root cause. You could say by killing this guy all you’re doing is trying to treat a symptom of a broken system, even tho I would say his death doesn’t even fully do that. Its just one more death. An avoidable and unnecessary death. I don’t claim his corporate policies but murder like this has no place in a democracy with rule of law to change things. If a CEO started looking out for the best health of the customer it would be against the interest of the shareholder as it would make the company less profitable. A systematic change like unified public healthcare is needed. No private entities. No healthcare shouldn’t be tied to work.
You can’t claim moral superiority while promoting murder.
You’re just drawing lines between social murder and murder, but I disagree that they’re meaningfully different except of course that one is legal and one isn’t. I don’t promote murder, but I do find that if you are consistent that all forms of murder are wrong then this is no different than a sniper on the roof of a stadium taking shots all day long with a pile of ammo behind him getting counter-sniped. Will another sniper take his place? Obviously. That’s why systemic change is the real goal here, but let’s not pretend the sniper going down is some great loss or that we should feel guilty for praising an effective counter-sniper who has offered no evidence that he’d ever aim lower.
The man isn’t the only one in the company and the system responsible. He steers the company at large, yes but every hand involved, be it the government, president, ceo to individual worker denying claims is technically at fault. I do not think we should celebrate murder. I do not celebrate Brian Thomson, neither do I celebrate Luigi Magione. I hope he gets his fair sentence.
Someone died. Even if that’s a billionaire from health insurance, someone dying is usually not a good thing. What is good about this situation is how it has put class consciousness in the public eye in a way that it wasn’t before.
I agree about the gained consciousness, that’s a good thing. On the other hand, being I’m firmly against death sentence (even with a trial), what I don’t agree with is homicide. That’s not justice. It’s just vengeance. And it’s a very dangerous slippery slope.
So how do you suggest to solve the situation when there are a lot of people who should be in jail or worse but they are rich so the government justice system does not work for them? In the lifetime of one person who’s life was destroyed by the said evil person.
Elect representatives and use non-violent acts to shape public perception so the law is changed. If it is legal and he isn’t actively like murdering/torturing people I don’t think you can really argue he should be imprisoned. Just my take. Also, there are no “good people” and “bad people”. Its not black and white.
Go head, buy a rifle and start your vengeance. Don’t wait for others to do it, if you’re so brave (spoiler: you’re not and you’re just talking out of your ass).
Don’t forget you wouldn’t even be privileged to have this conversation with the billionaires who conspire to rob and then kill us every single day. The coward talking out of their ass is the one who looks at a broken power structure and can only muster a meek, “not like this.” Save your speeches for those doing the real killing.
People like you are dangerous to those of us actually trying to make a positive change. You’d sell out your fellow man to the elites if push came to shove and we can sense that cowardice in you. Don’t expect us to be stoked about traitors. If you don’t want to help then at least get out of the fucking way.
Yet again claiming moral righteousness while promoting murder. Positive change will come through democratic and legislative change. Violence leads to chaos and disturbance. When people like you come to power they use everything to undermine and disrupt critics. How can you label a person a traitor simply for disagreeing with violence? Every single country that became communist has just created a new elite and ruling class. Don’t pretend you’re the good one.
However, the system for dealing with monopolies/oligopolies is broken. Regulatory capture has occurred. The rich shifted taxes to the poor. And a Fortune 8 company continues to kill thousands of Americans and make massive profits from doing so.
The Paradox of Intolerance tells us that letting this continue will only result in the deaths of thousands more Americans. Tolerating this behavior results in more 1000x more American deaths and inspires others to profit off the pain, misery, and death of our fellow citizens.
Opposing capital punishment without a trial != defending millionaires.
so what crime would Thompson be charged with?
oh? no crimes were committed you say?
preposterous! his executive actions were costing thousands of American’s their lives!
that’s not illegal? …because his support group in the DOJ won’t ever make corporations take responsibility for killing people?
well…what do you get when you oppress citizens and ensure they have no legal way to stop you?
Democracy can’t tolerate arbitrary homicide, but hey, whatever. I’m not the one in charge.
Democracy can’t tolerate a lot of things that are actively happening. Most of these things are legal, and frankly, with all of the suffering and murderous actions, concern trolling over the single time the shoe is on the other foot in class warfare is about as dumb as Trump supporters thinking that because Trump was indicted that they’re coming for them next. I felt safer with the murderer abroad. Everyone without gobs of money or perfect health should have.
I find it a bit hypocritical to complain about murders while advocating murder. No problem on my part. It’s not that I care. It’s something that everyone has to debate with their own conscience.
I don’t think it’s hypocritical to want someone committing a 9/11 scale murder yearly while a legal system nods in approval to stop murdering, but from a low power perspective there’s not much to be done about that. The system has been changed from a justice seeking system into a class warfare tool by the elite. Change would be better, but in this system, change comes from above. If the powers within the system are scared, some of them will flee to the moral position to spare themselves the risk. Power that’s brokered through fear is still power, it’s peak liberal to say fear must remain untapped. They would and literally do kill people like us every day, empathy is precious in late stage capitalism, I’ll reserve mine for people who’s suffering isn’t karmic.
Actively killing someone =/= someone dying by an avoidable cause of death
The legal system isn’t created by the rich. Sure they can afford lawyers and have a higher influence in politics. The country is still a democracy but the people have to vote in their best interest to get better healthcare. Systematic change is needed, so the root cause. You could say by killing this guy all you’re doing is trying to treat a symptom of a broken system, even tho I would say his death doesn’t even fully do that. Its just one more death. An avoidable and unnecessary death. I don’t claim his corporate policies but murder like this has no place in a democracy with rule of law to change things. If a CEO started looking out for the best health of the customer it would be against the interest of the shareholder as it would make the company less profitable. A systematic change like unified public healthcare is needed. No private entities. No healthcare shouldn’t be tied to work.
You can’t claim moral superiority while promoting murder.
You’re just drawing lines between social murder and murder, but I disagree that they’re meaningfully different except of course that one is legal and one isn’t. I don’t promote murder, but I do find that if you are consistent that all forms of murder are wrong then this is no different than a sniper on the roof of a stadium taking shots all day long with a pile of ammo behind him getting counter-sniped. Will another sniper take his place? Obviously. That’s why systemic change is the real goal here, but let’s not pretend the sniper going down is some great loss or that we should feel guilty for praising an effective counter-sniper who has offered no evidence that he’d ever aim lower.
The man isn’t the only one in the company and the system responsible. He steers the company at large, yes but every hand involved, be it the government, president, ceo to individual worker denying claims is technically at fault. I do not think we should celebrate murder. I do not celebrate Brian Thomson, neither do I celebrate Luigi Magione. I hope he gets his fair sentence.
Someone died. Even if that’s a billionaire from health insurance, someone dying is usually not a good thing. What is good about this situation is how it has put class consciousness in the public eye in a way that it wasn’t before.
Thing is, his death means he cannot kill anymore.
The company and system at large remains the same
So you can applaud that this topic has come to focus of the public without celebrating a murder right?
I’m glad he’s dead and I know he’s burning in hell.
I agree about the gained consciousness, that’s a good thing. On the other hand, being I’m firmly against death sentence (even with a trial), what I don’t agree with is homicide. That’s not justice. It’s just vengeance. And it’s a very dangerous slippery slope.
So how do you suggest to solve the situation when there are a lot of people who should be in jail or worse but they are rich so the government justice system does not work for them? In the lifetime of one person who’s life was destroyed by the said evil person.
Elect representatives and use non-violent acts to shape public perception so the law is changed. If it is legal and he isn’t actively like murdering/torturing people I don’t think you can really argue he should be imprisoned. Just my take. Also, there are no “good people” and “bad people”. Its not black and white.
Killing them, of course. /s
Go head, buy a rifle and start your vengeance. Don’t wait for others to do it, if you’re so brave (spoiler: you’re not and you’re just talking out of your ass).
Don’t forget you wouldn’t even be privileged to have this conversation with the billionaires who conspire to rob and then kill us every single day. The coward talking out of their ass is the one who looks at a broken power structure and can only muster a meek, “not like this.” Save your speeches for those doing the real killing.
Yeah, man, whatever. This conversation is not interesting anymore.
People like you are dangerous to those of us actually trying to make a positive change. You’d sell out your fellow man to the elites if push came to shove and we can sense that cowardice in you. Don’t expect us to be stoked about traitors. If you don’t want to help then at least get out of the fucking way.
Oh, fuck off, moron. If you think that homicide is positive change, then you values are severely off. Cowardice… LOL, please stop the cringe. Idiot.
Yet again claiming moral righteousness while promoting murder. Positive change will come through democratic and legislative change. Violence leads to chaos and disturbance. When people like you come to power they use everything to undermine and disrupt critics. How can you label a person a traitor simply for disagreeing with violence? Every single country that became communist has just created a new elite and ruling class. Don’t pretend you’re the good one.
Homicide is wrong and it can be a slippery slope.
However, the system for dealing with monopolies/oligopolies is broken. Regulatory capture has occurred. The rich shifted taxes to the poor. And a Fortune 8 company continues to kill thousands of Americans and make massive profits from doing so.
The Paradox of Intolerance tells us that letting this continue will only result in the deaths of thousands more Americans. Tolerating this behavior results in more 1000x more American deaths and inspires others to profit off the pain, misery, and death of our fellow citizens.