I have no confidence that Tesla will fix this before the planned Robo-Taxi rollout in Austin in 2 weeks.
After all, they haven’t fixed it in the last 9 years that self-driving Teslas have been on the road.
Not unexpected.
So motorcyclists weren’t enough, they’re going after kids now? Did they move their headquarters to israel?
rofl
Let’s not get carried away pretending America cares too much about children dying frfr.
Yeah the draconian punishment and outcry when someone dares to overtake a school bus is absolutely laughable.
Give that child chance to be shot the next day in school! Or starve to death, because they can’t afford school lunches.
Yeah once they’re out of the womb, fuck 'em. We only care about the unborn.
They don’t actually care about the unborn either. They just want women to suffer, that’s always been the only goal.
If we did the Carolina Lean is a bigger threat than Elon, but somehow that’s legal in most states.
Much like the mass shootings in the U.S., there’s literally no solution for this. /s
Well, what are we 'aposta do?!
Strangle these defenseless corporations with the same kind of regulations we continue to create and impose on small businesses? Do you even know who their father is?!
You got the strangle part right.
Where is Luigi
They know these things are going to kill people; it’s just inevitable.
Engineers are well aware of there being a cost-benefit analysis for saving human lives. O’Grady from Practical Engineering did a great video explaining how much a human life is worth to engineers. I think it was a little under $60k.
The purpose of reducing government oversight as much as possible is so that the cost of killing people is as low as possible.
It’s not an on/off switch of government regulation. They know that every additional policy they can shift in their favor will translate to increased profits down the line as people inevitably die from these things.
Some of you may die~
But it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
Fight Club taught me the cost of human life to corporations.
If PredictedLawsuitLosses < CostOfRecall then RecallNotAnnounced
Human life doesn’t factor in at all for them.
Human life absolutely factors into predicted lawsuit losses. Wrongful death lawsuits are expensive.
What I meant is they don’t care about people as people.
It’s just a number to them.
If they can profit of millions dying and they know they could get away with it, they would.
But not expensive enough to stop them killing people through negligence and greed.
This is why capitalists align with fascists.
Google, Meta, etc, are all taking the knee, because no regulation lets them slurp up our data. Target is shooting itself in the foot on DEI to appease stupid Mussolini, because a fascist autocrat doesn’t enforce labor protections.
Fascism, at its core, is an alignment between government and corporations. Capitalists align with fascism because that’s the entire point of fascism.
Damn, must suck living in the US
I lived there for six-ish years- from 1998 until 2004.
When Americans re-elected GWB, I realized “this place is RAPIDLY becoming a shithole that’s only going to get worse.” I got the hell out as soon as I was able, and every single day since, I’ve been more relieved I left when I did.
I’d be down if and when they do better than human drivers. Until then, there’s trains.
They hate trains…“THERE IS ONLY TWO GENDERS!”
The problem is, it’s already better than the worst human drivers, it’s just that that’s too low a bar. It’s a looong way away from being better than the best human drivers (think taxi and bus drivers who do it every day, or police who actually go through extra vehicle handling training)
I would generally agree with that statement but it seems the spirit of this thread is solidly in opposition. It would be make/model dependent, and Tesla has demonstrated their lack of safety.
It would be make/model dependent
I’m specially talking about Tesla’s FSD/Autopilot.
While getting a demo of FSD from a friend, their Model 3 correctly stopped at a red light, and 30 seconds later a car ran right through it in the next lane over. That’s how low the bar is for “worst human driver”. Tbh, that human shouldn’t have been on the road if they’re driving past stopped cars through a red light.I would asset your anecdote is definitely not proof positive of Tesla FSD being better than humans statistically, but it’s true that most public sentiment is inaccurate in assessing their FSD as either flawless or a murder-suicide mobile.
I’ve been behind the wheel when FSD was going to run a red light for me, twice in the same trip. It does perform impressively well most of the time, and if I could wave a magic wand, I’d put Tesla software in a more reputable brand’s car with LIDAR. Musk is a moron for going cameras only (and about fifty other things).
On the bright side, maybe this is building up to an “owner of the Segway company”-type ending?
The children were hamas obviously
They were behind white genocide in South Africa
“And if you don’t support killing them, you support terrorists, mmmkaaaaayyyy” — Bill Maher
So, the USA people are the beta testers, i guess.
Put some respect to their name, off course they are alpha (males!) testers.
only Texans… (with the robotaxis)
Texas state legislature has passed a law making it illegal for cities to pass laws more restrictive than the state laws and Austin which is known to be full of progressives. This makes it a perfect place for Tesla to beta-test it’s software. They’ll kill people likely to vote for Democrats.
Thoughts and prayers.
Might also explain why they’re the only ones that seem to have all this knowledge of a population crisis that no one else is aware of.
Thank God for the technocratic elite, and their foresight to know their plans for greatness will almost certainly wipe out the entire U.S. population. Hazard of being part of the unwashed masses, I guess.
Glad they are doing all this while they simultaneously argue that a loss of our personal liberty is a small price to pay for their protection. If they weren’t keeping us safe from… ::gestures vaguely:: China(?) then who would?
Texas releasing these things in public is horrifying. Tesla is last in this field, and refuses to add LIDAR, which is obviously what is needed.
My $60 robot vacuum has lidar…
Maybe you can get a business going mounting roombas on Tesla bumpers?
Call it clean energy
I award you the dubious honor of “Best Pun on the Thread”
Lidar is one of the things it needs, but even when they properly see what’s ahead they don’t interpret it correctly and don’t take the correct actions, it’s bigger than just lidar, which is honestly terrifying
They should throw in a loony tunes landscape for extra comedic value.
Mark Rober already did that.
This one is pretty unforgivable. Supposedly the ability to detect these situations was added in December (according to the article) but it’s clearly not working very well. Something like this should 100% pause the rollout of robo-taxis.
For normal cars though, the drivers should press the brakes to disable FSD when they see their car not slowing down when approaching a stopped bus like this.
Except the big danger with fully self driving cars is that drivers are not paying attention at all as they have nothing to do most of the time. They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths. So such a glaring safety flaw will have numerous opportunities to happen in real life - humans do not make good safety features in cars; thats what the self drive stuff was for.
Teslas self drive technology is not fit for the roads regardless of this. Musk had sensors stripped out pf the cars design to save money because apparently he knows better than all the worlds self drive engineers. The guy is a just an investment bro woth a huge ego - he can’t let the people hes investing in get onwith it, because he sees himself as a “genius”. The guys a moron.
Linus tech tips recently reviewed a car with semi auto self driving. It can keep you in the lane and at the right speed. He said it’s perfect for school zones because he knows he doesn’t have to watch the Speedo and give that extra attention to watching for kids walking out. I have to agree with him, there is a school on my commute and the speed drops to 20mph. I let the car do that bit while I worry about little (or sometimes big) feet.
Would I trust that system to spot a child before I do? Not a chance.
That’s where I use the speed limiter in residential areas. I can’t drive faster so I don’t have to check the speed. But when I take my foot of the pedal, the car slows down.
Outside residential area and on highway I use the adaptive cruise control.
They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths.
So no different to in non self-driving cars then.
I guess there’s going to be a lot of heroes popping Robo-Taxi tires. To protect their community and all that.
I recall that people blocked Waymo cars at one point by simply placing orange cones in front of them. Given Teslas only use cameras I wonder if you could just slap a sticker of an orange cone (or just a splash of orange paint) on the hood and confuse it enough that it wouldn’t move…
Edit: Or, if you really want to be a dick, get some black stickers (the stronger the glue the better) and surreptitiously put them over one or more cameras.
Given Teslas only use cameras
This still blows my mind. My fucking robot vacuum uses LiDAR, and multi-ton vehicles on public roads use cameras? Jesus Christ.
“Well you see lidar cameras are expensive. Yeah… that’s the excuse. No more questions” - Tesla whenever they are asked to explain themselves
Actually the excuse Musk uses is that humans only use their eyes to drive, so that’s enough for cars as well.
Wrong on so many levels…
Right… except for hearing horns, sirens or brakes screeching. Feeling a bump in the road and using the tactile feedback to determine if you should swerve or stop.
Elon Musk has been chaffeured the vast majority of his life and it shows.
In my country when you do a driving test one of the things you have to do is pass a hazard perception test. Everyone hates it because it consists of watching a video and clicking on the hazards when you notice them.
The problem is it’s almost impossible because the Field of view is probably only about 90°, you can’t turn your head because you’re locked to the forward-facing camera position, and you lack all the other information.
There are practise tests online, it’s interesting to take them because it really does show you how dependent you are on things other than just direct vision.
Holy shit did he really say that?
The “humans drive cars with just optical input” has become a weirdly tightly held misconception for Elon Musk, it’s a core part of his personality where autonomy is concerned:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-tesla-doesnt-023035552.html
Humans drive with optical input, haptic feedback, and millenia of evolution to handle the decision-making and social skills required to handle a vehicle safely. No LiDAR or radar waves, sure, but I wouldn’t say no if either were on offer!
The dumbest part? He developed this belief in ~2019. Lidar costs have dropped immensely since then, and are fast-dropping still. Any technologist who doesn’t fucking suck knows that component prices follow that depreciation curve. So he’s basically an old man shouting at a cloud at this point, it would be cheaper to fix the mistake, but it could hurt his personal branding as a guru.
Did they try it with a lighter colored child?
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No worries, it happens a lot, people are just drawn to me
Ope, now I regret deleting my edited explanation! That is an excellent response to my accidental comment.
Tesla self driving is already responsible for the deaths of multiple people.
They weren’t held accountable for those.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
If regular school shootings were no reason to actually do something, why would regular deadly accidents with self driving systems be one? I’m always amazed by what Americans are willing to tolerate.
Every day more people feel like they have nothing to lose.
It’s only a matter of time before they direct their ire towards the ones who put them in that position.
It’s only a matter of time before they direct their ire towards the ones who put them in that position.
I’d not hold my breath waiting for that. Why do you think billionaires own almost all newspapers/social media/mainstream media? They’ll always find someone or something else to blame, keep us divided. And this has worked well enough for centuries.
There’s been like 3 CEO’S murdered this year
Chin up
That’s slightly different since most states will put full responsibility on the driver even for autonomous cars. If there’s no driver, though, it would go back to the manufacturer. That’s why Uber gave up on self driving after one of their test cars ran over someone.
Move fast and break things!
A German party campaigned under the slogan “Digital first. Bedenken second” (Sic, i.e. mostly english). Bedenken means concerns.
They were punished pretty hard last election.
Move fast and break
thingsschoolchildren!I still don’t get how anyone thought this notion was ever considered a good strategy for anything… it clearly shows these people have no skin in the game because there is no way they would break their own things
This is exactly what it is. Move fast, and break other people’s things. Then never fucking take responsibility
I’m developing a game engine, that is currently unpopular, instead of trying to make the old API work with the new rendering system, I just decided to completely redo a lot of stuff. It was mandatory for the GUI subsystem as previously it was a spaghetti code of mess, now it’s a pretty well usable thing. It was less mandatory with the sprite and tile rendering, but I needed to adjust stuff to OpenGL, as previously it used the CPU.
so, move slower and fix things! I like your style better
Did you mean: Move fast and murder children?
“fail faster” was always my favourite
Correction: Robo-Taxis Hit the Child in 2 Weeks
My immediate thought was “That’s not all they’re going to be hitting…”
