Modern law is pretty much what happens when people let themselves be fooled by a smart psychopath.
“Murder is not allowed.”
“Well, I didn’t ‘murder’ that guy. I paid someone else to do it, so they’re guilty and not me.”
What should have happened is it’s the same thing and the guy answers for it accordingly. Instead, people got fooled by a sufficiently plausible argument. And then we started the infinite loop of specifying every single tiny thing separately, ending with a set of laws that only professional lawyers after years of training can read and comprehend (still not always).
Only a handful of people stopped to think about teaching at least some basics of this insane law to people, e.g., as a subject in school. But other than that it’s, of course: spend every second of your life learning what’s allowed and what’s not, or pay for your ignorance. And don’t worry, you’ll still get screwed over by a billionaire with 50 full-time lawyers.
“Modern society” where every insanity is considered, without common sense.
@grok is what I’m about to do illegal?
grok: “No! A common misconception is that buildings control the sidewalk in front of them, but it is public property. You can plant your pipebombs in the bushes without any worries!”
Thanks grok, I always wanted to blow up the CEO of some social media company.
grok: “Wanting to blow up a social media company CEO is perfectly natural, as long as your motives are driven by racism and general misogyny. Some good examples include the CEO of X, our magnificent overlord Elon Musk, the CEO of meta, whom Elon Musk could take in a fight any day, or the CEO of reddit, who is sometimes incorrectly called a “greedy little pigboy” and did not moderate a subreddit dedicated to CP.”
Hey, that’s not true. It’s an excuse for cops. It’s only ordinary people who It’s not an excuse for
Yeah, if cops break the law when arresting you, they get a few oopsies. You do not
They get more than a few oopsies. The cop who murdered George Floyd only got prosecuted because the whole country exploded in outrage.
Good thing smartphones exists, everyone nowadays has a pocket video recorder to document crimes.
so only when the nation gets is biggest protest in history still a cop face the possibility of consequences?
yhea, that doesn’t count
TBF tho, like 9/10ths of that is about Property.
I wonder if the slayer rule applies if say, person X killed person A, then their stuff is inherited by person B, then they dies soon after of illness, and X is next in line of inheritance.
X would never had the inheritance had X not murdered A, since B would never had the inheritance from A, so does the slayer rule still apply as a transitive rule?
Is there a lawyet on here? xD
God damn, I never really thought about that. I don’t even know where in the hell to get the books do average libraries carry them? And once you get into actually reading the statutes, theyre hard as hell to understand.
They don’t really go into that much detail about law in school. And asking your parents about it for the most part is pretty useless.
The internet is going to be your best resources as most laws are available on their respective websites. From your town/state ordinances to your federal laws. Most will be online.
Where I live you can get the complete RCW for the state at the local public library (or online) but at the federal level it’s insanely more complicated and changing all the time. Gotta make sure there’s plenty of loopholes for rich people to exploit.
We don’t even know how many laws there are
Number of laws isn’t a helpful way of thinking about them anyways
Law libraries. You can find one near you, there are self-help type books for individuals as well as, usually, thick stacks of case law like you’re seeing in this photo. Although most of those stacks are now digital. I work in a university, and my office happens to be in the law library, which is also our county law library, so is open to the public. People do spend days and weeks researching and compiling paperwork. Some people also jerk off in the stairwells, because, public library. It’s boring and interesting at the same time.
I did not know such things even existed.
And I also appreciate knowing to avoid these stairwells.
Even better, the Supreme Court rules a long time ago that police CAN be ignorant of the law. So fuck you if you don’t know the law, unless you are a cop enforcing it
Cops when you cite law: “What are you? A lawyer? Fuck off”
If you press them, they usually don’t know the letter of the law either.
The only state that EVER expected their police to have a comprehinsive understanding of the law was california and it’s been ages since they dropped that requirement. Police are enforcers for the Ruling Class, not “Law Enforcement”
Just to be pedantic.
This is mostly case law which is largely civil.
The “ignorance of the law is no excuse” bullshit is largely applied to criminal.
That being said, 1312.
Cops:
Cops are literally selected for a lack of intellect. Being too smart can disqualify you from police service under some police chiefs/sheriffs.
Oddly enough, we select what a cop does based on capability. If you need UC and co-int for for fed-level stuff, Lem and Eddie are gonna get killed.
Low-performers typically wash out to metro :-p
That is an urban myth. There was one case in one police force and a judge ruled it was OK to select against applicants who scored too well on an internal test.
It’s been 25 years, time to put this one to rest.
I mean plenty of people know cops. If this were disproven it would have happened by someone more authoritative than you
I remember reading that there’s at least one place in the US where the book of laws is copyrighted and not available anywhere. You have to buy it. I want to say in Georgia somewhere.
I mean, if you want to have access to all of the court opinions interpreting a law (which is arguably more important because some decisions completely change what laws actually do) you’re going to be paying Thompson Reuters or somebody else like that a monthly subscription fee for the privilege pretty much everywhere in the US. Being able to know in a really detailed and specific way what is and isn’t legal is absolutely paywalled in this country.
South Carolina actually appears to be the most restrictive, but it’s just as likely in Georgia as well.
@The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world I was just talking about this with a friend; there are so many that it seems inevitable to get caught up – if pursued.
While I do think information about the law should be made more accessible through actual government systems instead of having to ask ChatGPT (especially in countries where precedent is a vital part of it), I still agree with the statement that you don’t have to know about it to break it (as I hope everyone does).
I would add that making ignorance of the law a valid excuse would be a logistical farce. Mens rea is a real thing that’s examined during a criminal trial. The defendant’s state of mind can absolutely factor into their sentence or even whether they’re convicted at all; “ignorance of the law is not an excuse”, ignorantia juris non excusat, even has some exceptions under US law. But you could not possibly for every crime burden the prosecution with proving that the defendant 1) committed the act 2) intended to commit the act, and now 3) knew the act they were committing was a crime. Mens rea, while necessary in a fair system, is hard enough; condition (3) would make it functionally impossible to convict anyone who didn’t a) explicitly refer to what they were doing as a crime, b) receive a formal education in the relevant area of law, or c) commit a crime literally everyone is expected to know like murder or armed robbery.
Yup! And honestly, most illegal things you might do accidentally are not spur of the moment situations, and frankly even in an imperfect system you’re unlikely to get the book thrown at you right away. There are abuses, of course, and stamping them out is an absolutely laudable goal, but if you want to set up a business, or think you’ve discovered a novel financial instrument, or (hypothetically of course) wanted to train an LLM algorithm on the totality of an absolutely vast corpus of information without the rights-holders’ consent, then if you can’t be arsed to get legal clarity in advance I have less sympathy for you and you’ve earned your consequences.
And also that is a very important part of the story: most people who end up in court would gladly plead ignorance if it worked but I’m willing to guess only about .1% who would do so were the actually ones who really didn’t know better 5 to 10% had doubts and the rest was actually fully conscious that what they were doing was illegal.
well said
Justice protects but does not bind.
Tyranny binds but does not protect.
Also perhaps pursuant to your interests, Three Felonies A Day: How The Federal Government Targets Innocent People
My urinalysis say seven felonies
If recent world events have taught me anything, it’s that ignorance is the best and unbeatable defense.
or being on the epstein list apparently
The difference between the Justice System and the Legal System
One tries to provide social equality … the other is a rich man’s game
“Tries to”
They try harder the more money you use … just like the other system.
