What’s your take on this?
I support the woman’s choice to have a child or not, without government interference either way (eg: Forced Abortions or Forced Births).
I also support paper abortions.
The decision to bring new life into the world should, ideally, be agreed upon by both parents.
If the female does not wish to be a mother, I believe it is her right to abort the pregnancy. We have the technology. The procedure is invasive and I would recommend her to try other methods to avoid pregnancy if she does not wish to be a parent. Even with an abortion pill, she still has to push all that stuff out at some point. It’s going to be traumatic. So it’s better if she’s on the pill, an IUD (which admittedly isn’t pleasant either), uses physical contraceptive (condoms), or just avoids PiV altogether (anal, oral, digital are all pleasurable to both sexes).
If the male does not wish to be a father, I believe it is his right to renounce paternity. But it should be total, all or nothing. He would never get the right to see the child or to call himself the father. This is a really messy situation pretty much everywhere. If you help raise a child, you should have some parental rights… coming from someone who’s helped raise a few. Of course, if the child already has a father and you’re just (as a man) helping out, you’re an uncle at best. If the child has a father but he’s never around, the mother has a boyfriend but he has no interest in being a dad, and you step up, even if you’re a family friend, I believe that makes you a dad, even if you aren’t biologically related to the child. I mean, every child should have a dad, and if their father isn’t there, the mom’s boyfriend doesn’t want the job, and a friend steps up, and the child calls this man “daddy” I don’t see anything wrong with it. When they’re both adults (that is, the child is of legal age), they can apply whatever label they want (dad, uncle, or friend), but before they reach the age of majority? I think you should be able to say you’re that child’s dad.
I am pretty much hugely pro-life. I’ve seen the best of kids, and I’ve seen some of the worst. Not like “We Need to Talk About Kevin” worst, but I’ve met a few who fear the inside of a bathtub and/or hot water. I’ve seen where shit goes in a diaper when no one steps up to change it for hours (hint: it goes EVERYWHERE, and if it’s a girl… yes… sort of anyway). I’ve seen all kinds of tantrums. I’ve had to settle all those things. Cleaned up all kinds of bodily fluids. And I still think kids are worth it. But that being said, I’m not anti-choice/pro-birth.
There is moment where biology comes into play. Pregnancy has major consequences for the person being pregnant . Not for The father, and once the kid is born, laws protects the kid. Having unprotected sex comes with risk, pretty minor compared to BASE jumping or riding a motorcycle but it can have massive lifelong consequences.
While technically illegal, men abandoning their kids aren’t that uncommon. They’re far on the asshole scale but they exist
You’re gonna be down voted to hell but baby trapping is real, it’s rape, and there should be a recourse against it.
Look, mate, accidents happen. If you don’t want to get a lady pregnant, don’t have sex with the lady.
what an absolute brain dead response.
people can lie. “I’m on the pill” “I can’t get pregnant” “I’ll take plan B”
condoms can break even when a needle hasn’t been poked through.
a woman can still force herself on a man, they aren’t powerless.
Lol. Baby trapping, while it is bad, its nothing even closely similar to rape.
Also gentlemen, if there is possibility of rain, bring your raincoats and remember, its not rude to keep your hat on when going inside. Even if the lady asks you to remove it.
But i agree that lying about birthcontrol should be punishable.
you’re right. trapping a man into providing for a woman and her child for life is nothing like rape.
I mean rape is a singular incident that causes lifelong repercussions that takes years if not a lifetime to manage. it can financially ruin you. it can steal away your freedom of choice and destroy opportunities you otherwise could have taken.
🤔 that sounds awfully similar now that I’m thinking about it.
just FYI, condoms break.
It could be like some kind of psychological rape if you think about it.
Do you feel clever using words to compare physical abuse and taking away other person bodys sovereignty to financially harming other?
Both are bad and cruel things, but they are not compearable.
Condoms can break and parachutes can fail, but jumping from the plane without parachute is just moronic.
Not being clever. it’s the same thing.
you’re just victim blaming because you refuse to acknowledge that forcing anyone to do something through sex should be considered rape.
Did you learn fancy new word to use?
Im not victim blaming anybody, nor am i saying baby trapping is in any way acceptable, but it definedly is not a rape. And those two crimes are definedly not in any way compareable.
Your definition would also turn custody disputes in to rape cases.
that’s quite the amount of confidence for being wrong.
Many jurisdictions now center the crime on the absence of freely given or affirmative consent and also criminalize sexual acts with persons who cannot legally consent—minors (statutory rape), the intoxicated, the unconscious, or those with certain mental disabilities—so the presence or absence of capacity is often as central as whether force was used.
by your definition, having sex while intoxicated would not be rape because consent isn’t required. you allowed this by proposing consent is not a requirement to force a man to impregnate a woman.
by your definition rape itself doesn’t exist.
Comparing undesired paternity to undesired pregnancy is TIGHT.
Both absolutely should be allowed/legalized.
My take is that you keep posting hot takes on here, trying to stir the pot, and then when called out you say it’s just a joke bro
Hot takes? If OP wanted to try a hot take, they could try something not from the 2001 MRA handbook.
I mean, it’s the mgtow instance…
hot takes on here, trying to stir the pot
We shall call it “hot pot”
I’m in serious mode right now.
Alternative: roll out better options for male contraceptives and make them very easily available. Where the fuck is RISUG/Vasalgel/Plan A for Men?
Plan A would be a dope name for male contraceptive. Just down a shot of something
berrydragonfruit-flavored and you are good for the night. All the little swimmers are drowned.The problem is that women already have a function that makes them nonfertile. Its MUCH easier to simulate that function, and at the end stop simulating it, than to create a completely novel mechanism to make a man nonfertile for a certain amount of time.
Granted, the pill isn’t exactly great, but there are quite a few options for women, and they all revolve around roughly the same mechanism. The alternative is shoving a mechanical device inside, and getting to the uterus (while exceptionally unfun) is still easier than getting to the testes.
There’s also a big problem with RISUG like vasalgel (slight conspiracy theory alert here). If you sell a guy vasalgel, it’s a one-time thing. If instead you sell his partner the pill, you get to keep doing that every single day for potentially decades.
That’s not equal. Women can’t abandon the baby after it’s born either. It takes two to make a baby. Men have the final say over their own bodies just as women do.
I mean for the same period of time abortion is allowed.
That doesn’t change anything. If the child is born, it’s yours, and you can’t abandon it. The child has a right to a parent, and you are the parent.
Most (all?) states have safe haven places where you absolutely can abandon your baby no questions asked
actually, a child doesn’t have a legal right to a parent. for example, my birth certificate doesn’t list a father. legally, I never had one. of course, practically speaking, I also didn’t have one.
Hey look, there’s a MGTOW instance. And now it’s blocked.
While it sounds good that simply pushes the cost of the child, if the mother can’t afford it alone, to you and me. Let’s teach daddy that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and keep him on the hook.
This made sense to me with I first heard it and I thought some feminists agreed with it too. The Wikipedia article on it has some women cited as supporting the idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_abortion
Are you having a stroke?
Are you having a stroke? If so, call emergency services. If not, do some research on sentence structure.
I mean, I understood what they meant. And I’m pretty sure that’s a common way to speak, even though it’s highly informal in writing.
