Too late assholes… I’m already deleting most of the posts I made on my discord and I will be migrating elsewhere soon.
DIscord: GUYs! You’ll NEVER BELIEVE THIS!!! Instead of invasively reading out every one of your personal identifications and selling the data on your likes/dislikes, we can ACTUALLY just use an AI to tell if you’re a child by how your interact with people!!!
Us: Maybe you could have the AI just stop the stalkers.
Discord:
They still have the AI shit that looks at your posts to try and determine if you are an adult.
Fuck that.
They had it way before they announced, apparently. Because I ate a ban for apparently saying I’m 9 somewhere (I don’t actually remember posting that, I suspect a certain someone got to my account to get me banned).
Like everything else everyone has ever posted outside the fediverse?
There’s shitloads of AIs reading the fediverse, too. Absolutely doing the same infomining as the discord age bot - but it’s not the moderators doing it, at least.
nods I suspected as much.
Never seen any search results through :)
The cat has been let out of the bag. I’m still moving somewhere else once I figured out where with friends.
migrate to matrix.
Already done.
The company’s deploying AI-powered inference to estimate user ages based on behavioral patterns, account history, and other signals already in its systems. Only when that automated prediction fails or flags uncertainty will users face requests for manual verification through ID uploads or facial scanning.
Oh, so it’s even easier to game it and pretend to be “an adult”. Simply avoid any minecraft and roblox communities to be an instant adult.
Discord didn’t specify exactly what percentage constitutes a “vast majority,” nor did it detail which signals feed into its age prediction models. That lack of transparency could become its own issue as regulators increasingly scrutinize how platforms handle youth safety versus privacy rights.
Big brother is watching you masturbate, for your own good, of course.
For the subset of users who do get flagged for manual verification, Discord says it’s partnering with third-party services that specialize in age verification tech. These vendors typically process ID documents or facial scans without permanently storing biometric data, though implementation details remain vague.
It’s not permanent storage if they delete after safely selling to interested buys!
As lawmakers ramp up age verification requirements globally, expect more platforms to walk this tightrope between compliance and community trust.
I wonder if this is what might actually push more people into “host your own shit” that’s easy to shut down and migrate as needed.
They will never delete it anyway. They might park it in a different spot, sell it as well, then delete where they originally stored it. The new spot they part it might even have a degree of separation or so from the company. But they never delete information, don’t ever trust they do.
They haven’t though.
They’ve just restated the exact same thing but then added on hollow empty promises of “this time we’ll be better, I swear!”
I’ll be honest, The UK introduced these age verification and ID issues and many places were forced to follow suit. Discord being one of them and I’m sure at somepoint it did pop up but I’ve never signed up for it and I’ve continued to use the software without issue.
My Xbox demands to see my ID so I cancelled my Subscription. If discord starts demanding it I’ll be moving back to Teamspeak or Mumble.
Wait what? Xbox needs a subscription? To play the games you own? They are forcing you to prove your age to play adult video games now? Jesus Christ. We need to find workarounds for all of this, it’s a privacy issue, and a property rights issue. We bought this stuff, it’s ours. We can’t be forced to ask for permission to use our own shit.
?? You don’t get to walk back my fears. You can walk back the source, but you don’t get to say “nevermind, you’re not worried about this”.
I don’t believe them lol.
What happens when the lie? Nothing. If they say they will delete something, but they keep it, nothing will happen to them. So of course they will keep all the information. Maybe shuffle it from here to there and then delete here.
Like all other social media sites, they’ll postpone it and bring it back when all the uproar settles.
I discordially invited my account to go and delete itself.
same , never really used it but deleted it.
Does Discord even have an community relations department, because they suck. Seriously what a stupid decision to just announce age verification and then provide no additional details or context.
This
clarificationpathetic attempt at backpedalling, isn’t much better either, they’ve still provided essentially no information on exactly what the process is going to be, and exactly how it is going to work. I also do not like the fact that they’re basically just giving up on any attempts to implement this themselves, and are going with third party solutions. We all know that “third party solutions” means the lowest bidder, so this will be implemented poorly with no operational security, and absolutely will result in a data breach.I created my account at least 15 years ago so if they require age verification from me they’re idiots.
Lmaoooo
Have you SEEN their UI? You know how over the past ten years we’ve been like “aaaaanny day now they’ll fix it so it isn’t awful…” And they didn’t. And instead, we just sorta… got used to it?
Pffft… like they listen to anything anybody else says. Community relations dept. Ha!
Discord’s mobile app is the worst one I’ve regularly used. I’ve never had an app that crashes from 2 gifs.
Or couldn’t accept keyboard input from the stock keyboard.
Or wouldn’t let me use the touch interface to move around because the UI got stuck, so I can’t read any channel until I restart the app.
Or wouldn’t notify you for people responding in DMs randomly.
Or have a hard time displaying videos that were uploaded to their servers.
Or keep saved and embedded gifs cached, so you didn’t have to reload them every time, wasting data and time.
Or didn’t randomly play audio from videos whenever you swiped away.
Or had the context menu require an internet connection, so if you have low data, good luck editing your messages!
I left as soon as I saw something asking for age verification in the client.
I guess I need to talk about my 401k at least once before March or something.
People need to realize that this isn’t JUST a Discord issue. This is a policy issue AS WELL. Fucking pay attention to the politics around you. And this isn’t just a United States issue as well.
this is true… its not just Discord… politics are pushing hard on tech… like Facebook, Google, well everything basically… They want to push age verification everywhere.
Its really dangerous, and I will never comply (even though I have nothing to hide). I already deleted my discord. I will not join back anymore. Its too late already.
Each chat, social network or anything that is trying to implement this -> ACCOUNT DELETED.
Edit: Discord’s preparation to go public with an IPO… So go away from discord now.
They don’t actually care about age verification, they just want the personal information.
They are trying to set up identifying every account to a name and face to have their computers record everything, from their footage on the streets, cctv of you in your car, in stores, over traffic lights, to every website you visit, every word you read, every word you write, and so forth and run it through AI threat detection/social scores. It’s new tech that is coming online and they are trying to surrender us to it, to bring this trojan horse behind the walls of liberal democracy. To let Palantir and like companies to decide winners and losers, what jobs you can get, loans, what search engines will even show you, what prices you are charged, how the government treats you, how businesses treat you, etc. All in a way not attributed to it, that you can never know and never challenge.
What I’m saying isn’t that you should or shouldn’t delete social media accounts. What I’m saying is that eventually they’re all going to HAVE to do it to be able to operate within certain countries. The account deletion/boycott/etc isn’t enough, you have to go after the political leaders that are FORCING companies into these deals cause governments are GOING to continue to go after companies to force the whole of the internet into surveilling users. Policy and laws need to be changed. The work HAS to be done.
I just host my own open source instances. Like matrix for chat. And mbin for the fediverse. This is how I now communicate with you.
No age verification. Mbin will never implement it either. And matrix won’t either. Otherwise I will fork matrix also.
Good for you, honestly. But not the point I’m trying to make at all.
Yea I got your point
You must never comply ESPECIALLY if you have nothing to hide. They are treating innocent people like terrorists and criminals and this is not acceptable.
I pray that the impetus from all this results in overturning all of the (allegedly) anti-terrorist legislation made post 9/11 (post 2000 in some cases).
You must never comply ESPECIALLY if you have nothing to hide.
I agree. I just mentioned it explicitly, since I was afraid of responses like… Ow… Do you hide something?
ahem… politics is NOT pushing on tech…
tech is pushing and telling politics what to do. tech controls politics now
ahem… politics is NOT pushing on tech…
Bullshit. There are plenty of examples of politics pushing on tech and tech pushing back. Tech may have its hands in politics’ pocket, but they don’t have a hand up their backside like you imply.
Well… I dunno well… I think both. I believe nobody wants to be responsible and they just point to each other 🤔
This is the way.
Chat control was one of the most notable signs that this is an issue around the world with it still popping up over and over in the EU. This is a global fight.
I’m just going to repeat myself for the hundredth time here. This is exactly what happens when you define words in such broad terms. Social media does not include things like discord. It doesn’t include Reddit, it doesn’t include Lemmy. But because so many damn people just refer to any site that they can talk with other people on as social media, it became enshrined in law and now literally every service you touch is legally defined as social media.
This is not hyperbole; with the current definitions across numerous countries, Amazon (the place where you buy things, not other services like games) is legally defined as social media.
Words mean things and when words are hijacked for other purposes it allows governments to strip away your rights without you realizing.
I disagree. By definition social media is “new media technology that facitilates the creation, sharing and aggregation of content amongst virtual communities and networks” so Reddit and Lemmy are social networks.
There are several subkinds of social networks some are worse for kids (and adults) than others. Most sites in the internet don’t allow users to create and share content, online newspaper only may allow users to comment but the content comes from “journalists” and collaborators.
Discord is used like a forum though, with chat capabilities but it’s social at it’s core.
Okay, I’m gonna ask: why is reddit not social media?
It’s a forum. Just like all the other forums before it. It just happened to get very popular. To be clearer: if you define Reddit as social media then you are including almost every single website on the planet. It makes the definition completely pointless.
Regulations shouldn’t be defined in this way.
I define my dick to be broad. I declared it, and thus have manifested it into reality.
What other things should I will into existence with my new found powers?
Words don’t have meanings. Meanings have words.
Amazon the internet megastore allows non-employees of Amazon to add content to their store. Both as supposed vendors offering goods for services and as customers giving reviews and ratings to such store listings. And Amazon chooses what listings to show to users through opaque algorithms.
Can you give an example of the sort of regulation a social media site should need to follow which Amazon should be exempt from? Or the sort of rule that should bind reddit and Facebook but not Amazon?
Can you give an example of the sort of regulation a social media site should need to follow which Amazon should be exempt from? Or the sort of rule that should bind reddit and Facebook but not Amazon?
A better question is what sort of legislation should apply to every website on the planet, without exception. Because that’s what the current definition does, makes the law so broad as to be pointless. Why are laws being passed that affect every website, when the problem is a few very massive websites.
A better question is what sort of legislation should apply to every website on the planet, without exception.
Off the top of my head:
- Do not store user information in an unsecure or identifiable mechanism.
- Be transparent as to what parts of the page are ads and which aren’t.
- Follow best-practices for accessibility.
- Give @DomeGuy a lollipop if he asks.
So I kinda walked away from this to think about what’s being said a bit and I just kinda have to disagree? Like, being clear and concise and accurate in defining something is hella important… to the people that care about those things. The thing we see though isn’t lacking definitions, especially in a legal sense, but people not pushing back enough whenever bad actors start bringing up terrible arguments. There are people out there that you can bring up the best, most logical points in the world and they will still twist and twist and twist until your original point is lost. We can make the most robust, perfect definitions and some people will STILL either find ways around it or completely ignore what was rationally established. The definition doesn’t matter, the problem is fascists want to monitor the world and make whoever they want disappear and people kinda just let it happen.
And to be clear, I’m trying to say you’re completely wrong. Defining things is important to establish a shared common framework of understanding and policy making and regulations are SO SO SO IMPORTANT cause they save lives in more than just one way, but problem isn’t clear cut to be solved with “we need to define things better.” We have a culture issue. Culture issues need more than one approach to resolve.
It’s all the same for me. It doesn’t matter, whether it’s discord, games, reddit, lemmy, Mastodon, mbin, X, Facebook. It’s all the same and also at the not the same.
But in the end it’s all software. I hope that we can agree with. And this software is empowering people. And politics don’t like that…
I vote for this guy for president.
I grew up with certain words meaning certain things. Then I get older, and suddenly, those words are gone, new words exist, old words mean new things, medical terms are now no longer medical terms and just purely an insult derived from a definition that didn’t used to define the root word. Pluto isn’t a planet. Instead of 9 planets, there are now an unknown number at least in the thousands. There’s like 4 other Earths.
Language shouldn’t change over time. It can adapt, but I should know that grass is green. Not grass is plubertatude. A word I just made up for the demonstration of absurdity. Nothing wrong with grass being green.
why downvote this comment?
medical terms are now no longer medical terms and just purely an insult
Language drifts over time, that’s normal, always has been. Stay on target soldier. FORMAL language however needs very strict definitions or it just stops working. Words mean things is true. That still doesn’t mean you get to say the “R” word.
Decentralize and federate or die.
Piggybacking off this:
XMPP and Deltachat are two excellent decentralized, self-hostable, federated, encrypted communication platforms. Deltachat is limited more to text (though it can send videos or audio files that can be played in the app like snapchat), but with XMPP, we could use the Movim Client.
Movim can do group video calls, screen sharing, differing permissions in groups, and even user blogs! And I believe the devs are working on adding discord-like channels with multiple groups under a single community. It’s currently our best option to shift to, and due to being FLOSS, will only ever improve (we’ll never need to worry about investment capital enshittification), so it’s not just kicking the can down the road, it’s a long-term, almost permanent solution.
Movim looks very promising and I haven’t heard of it before, thanks for highlighting it. My group has been working to stand up a few Prosody (XMPP) servers but as far as client side the best we could identify was Gajim. This looks better.
And I believe the devs are working on adding discord-like channels with multiple groups under a single community.
If you have a link to a discussion or issue where they’re tracking this, I’d love to follow it.
They’ll also need to figure out how to let rooms have more than 1000 people, which is currently the limit on Movim (and it might be an XMPP limitation). Right now, Matrix seems like the only option for a Discord migration, but I hope that changes soon.
I might move my Discord community to Matrix, but I’d want a full 100% clone of the server’s history. Seems like that’s almost possible?
Discord scrapers like DiscordChatExporter can dump a whole channel to JSON (although I don’t see a lot of scraper options that let you pause/resume/retry an export… looking for suggestions if people have any).
And the Mautrix Discord bridge already makes it look like real users sent bridged messages. I think with a little customization, the Mautrix bridge could be modified to import an enormous JSON file to fully mirror an entire Discord server, instead of just grabbing messages in real time. It’s already got the functions there to “send a message as xyz user.”
Matrix or not, “take your Discord dump and clone it somewhere federated” would be huge for migrations like this. I really hope someone works on that soon 🙏
I just imported a server with bridge.
Every messages in your server’s entire history, or just the channel layout?
I know the Mautrix bridge can create the channels for you, but their backfill feature was not designed for full archival, it can’t really do that.
I didn’t have a problem doing it. It took a while but it was fine. Some of the channels needed a little help, but it was just a matter of reconnecting them. Our server has been around for years too. Going to do an extra backup, but it was fine.
So it was all of your messages?
Can you explain what bridge you used and how you got the whole history moved over?
If you have a link to a discussion or issue where they’re tracking this, I’d love to follow it.
They’ve mentioned needing to accelerate the development of it on their Mastodon account in light of the Discord blunder, such as here, and they just had a user poll there that resulted in Discord-like grouped channels/spaces being the most requested.
Thank you!! Really looking forward to this, Movim is already pretty nice.
No prob! I’m excited for it too ^^
