He also gave the example of a German Wiki community member who wrote a program to verify the ISBN numbers of books cited, and was able to trace notable mistakes to one person. That person ultimately confessed they had used ChatGPT to find citations for text references and the LLM “just very happily makes up books for you,” Wales said.
Well this won’t be a problem with Grokipedia, because it only uses sources that are available online as pure text (I’m pretty sure not even PDFs are used by it).
Wales thinks the public and the media often give Wikipedia too much credit. In its early days, he says, the site was never as bad as the jokes made about it. But now, he says, “We are not as good as they think we are. Of course, we are a lot better than we used to be, but there is still so much work to do.”
Amen, it’s nice to see the level-headedness.
It’ll effect things as much Conservapedia does. A laughing stock to gawk at and nothing more.
I bet by the end of next year it’s dead.
One key difference: Conservapedia was young earth creationist, Grok is not. That amount of difference unfortunately enough to convince a lot of average Joes of credibility.
Affect
Not to sure about the latter part.
Elmo will be bankrupt in not too much time but for the moment he has pockets so deep he single handedly could fund wikipedia for the next millenia. For as long as he isn’t bankrupt and alive, that turd will be around
What does Grokipedia say on the genocide in South Africa?
well, the website only has one button, that redirects to the actions of Grokipedia with the options to buy or sell some.
I guess you have to interact with their actions to use the thing?
Remember that Elon overpromises & underdelivers
Not really.
Remember that Elmo just lies his ass off almost all the time.
Over promises and under delivery are such extreme understatements with him, almost everything bhe says is just pure imaginary bullshit
Lying his ass off literally is the only thing he does well, it made Tesla stocks balloon to being overvalued somewhere in 10-100 times their actual value
Remember hyperloop, that project that even high schoolers could identify as absolutely dumb? Billions and billions in investment money has been wasted on absolute bullshit that will never work.
But what about SpaceX, I hear you type?
Remember how we’d land on Mars in 2018, now 7-8 years ago? Yeah, Elmo is currently at about 1% of that particular promise. Again, it’s not under delivery, it’s just actual plain bullshit
Speaking of SpaceX, ISRO was able to come up with a design of a Reusable-launch vehicle in half the price & did it way before them
Literally. With everything. In every business he touches. Yet the stock goes up. It’s stupid.
Hmm it seems the speculative market loves speculation rather than actual results…
It’s going to become an AI written clone of Wikipedia with all the personal opinions of Elon mixed in. I don’t see it going anywhere.
If you check it out, its not going to become that because it IS that. Its all AI rewritten articles from Wikipedia with Elon’s alt right biases applied. Some of the less political pages aren’t even really rewrites but just copy/pastes
Jimmy Wales: Libertarian that ended up creating perhaps the most successful collectivist project of all time.
Reading his Wiki page, he does sound rather reasonable. Support for Occupy Wallstreet, running as a UK Labour candidate, openly calling not to elect Trump and also calling the US Libertarian Party “lunatics”.
this is a perfect example of why we should always allow an escape space for everyone. Sometimes that person in the space you are polar opposed too will create something that defies even their own rules
Lemmy itself is a good example of this. Most of the userbase heavily disagrees with the main developers’ political opinions, yet the software works well for everyone.
In what way does Wikipedia defy Jimmy Wales own rules?
There are a lot of people on Wikipedia(s). There’s bound to be some that defy its creator.
I consider myself libertarian and absolutely love Wikipedia! In fact, if I didn’t have to work, I’d work on FOSS full time.
Libertarians have no issues with collectivism, they only have issues with forced collectivism. Libertarians love private unions, co-ops, non-profits, etc.
That’s how most libertarians I’ve talked to think. There are some people who call themselves libertarians who actually just want the government out of the way so mega corps can control everything, but i don’t think Jimmy Wales is one of them.
Did those “libertarians” vote for Trump last election? What’s their take on Jan 6? I have a sneaking suspicion they’re conservatives who like weed, not libertarians.
You’re right that libertarians don’t want government involved in as many parts of daily life as possible. That’s where the support comes from for things like drug legalization/decriminalization, gay marriage, gun rights, etc. Wikipedia is part of that, it was created and is maintained independently, and whether it’s funded by donations, ads, or subscriptions is irrelevant. As long as government isn’t involved, libertarians are happy.
Here’s a quote I love from Penn Jillette (from memory, may have mistakes):
Government should only use violence for things I am willing to use violence for. I would use violence to stop a rape or a murder. I would not use violence to build a library.
He goes on say he supports libraries and would fund one if someone came around asking for donations.
That’s pretty much exactly what Wikipedia is, it’s a privately created, publicly available library that runs on donations, which is a libertarian wet dream. If everything good could be funded that way (charities for a social safety net, police for law enforcement, military for national defense, etc), that would be a libertarian utopia. Since that’s not feasible, libertarians want as many functions as possible to exist outside of government and carefully audit the rest.
I personally believe a social safety net cannot be independent, so I support something like UBI to replace our coercive and often subjective welfare programs and ensure everyone is above the poverty line. I also believe small companies should have legal protections (e.g. limited liability structures we have today), and large companies shouldn’t (they can buy insurance if they want), so a lawsuit or bankruptcy could go after shareholder and executive team assets.
Many libertarians disagree with me on specifics (a libertarian’s most bitter rival is another libertarian), but we agree on the foundational idea that less is more when it comes to government.
That’s sounds pretty close to where I’m at now. Ideally I want a libertarian society, but I don’t believe it will work in practice in a lot of areas (like health care or completely unregulated capitalism). On those issues I’m more aligned with the Green Party.
I’m not sure what the “best” solutions are, but I know wealth and power are way to consolidated now and we need to decentralize.
There’s an element of vibe contrarianism in any pronounced political ideology. Meaning that libertarians often hate what they perceive as anti-libertarian, communists often hate what they perceive as anti-communist, and so on.
In that regard yes, there are plenty of libertarians who just want to kill anything with leftist vibes with fire.
But the world of ideas is far richer than the existing conventions and established ideologies, and every person has their own trajectory in that.
I agree. This is what I’ve observed: Pride and moral superiority are the primary sources of political extremism. Any attempt to reason in that emotional state is going to be filled with a ton of confirmation bias. Mix in some greed and it gets even worse.
These people have a tendency to strongly identify with their particular brand of ideology and consider any challenge a threat. They label people that disagree as evil or stupid which makes them feel even more certain in their moral superiority. They close their minds to any dissenting opinions and hide in their echo chambers continuing the vicious cycle because being right feels good and being wrong feels bad.
Some humility and genuine curiosity are ways to reverse the cycle.
‘Not optimistic he will create anything very useful right now’
Or ever create anything (he’s just stealing other people’s creations, at best)
More like ruining other people’s creations, he has the opposite of Midas touch, anything he touches turns to shit
Stealing and enshittifying
Truly the Thomas Edison of the 21st century.
He thinks he’s Nikolai Tesla, but yeah, he’s the other guy!
They’ll say aw Topsy at my autopsy!
I’m happy I can use this after reading it yesterday:
The electrocution of Topsy the Elephant was not an anti-alternating current demonstration organized by Thomas A. Edison during the war of the currents. Edison was never at Luna Park, and the electrocution of Topsy took place ten years after the war of currents.[96] This myth may stem from the fact that the recording of the event was produced by the Edison film company.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions_about_history
He is not just strealing other people’s creations. He is also giving them incredibly lame names.
Just listened to someone attempt a Freudian analysis on the X that he seems so obsessed with. It was trite.
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Musk is just Nazi-washing what he stole from Wikipedia, he doesn’t have the base of volunteers and employees to maintain his latest toy. A year from now, it will be gone and forgotten, and we’ll all be shouting at each other to go vote.
Guess Conservapedia wasn’t conservative enough.
No, they already have Metapedia for that.
Yet another horrible thing that apparently exists. Boooo.
It’s not about making something useful. He and a few others are cloning everything any of their cult might use to further fence them in from external information and entertainment.
They’re having a harder time in entertainment, because artists tend to be more liberal, but they’re gaining ground there, too. After a certain point, they’ll just radically censor everything else.
This is what scares me. The fact that they are doing it at all. It’s providing more spaces for people to shut themselves in completely with the information they want. These fucking desperate bigots will never be satisfied until the entire world reflects their bigoted ass beliefs, but since that will never happen they will fight a civil war for Elon out of sheer ignorant self obsession, instead
It will be a another propaganda mouthpiece, and have all the credibility of Fox News.
doesn’t mean it can’t do damage - like fox news
Or conservapedia, the fox news of wikipedias.
little hilter needs his LIEbensraum
They are going to clone Wikipedia, then use some flimsy excuse to get it shut down under something like “anti conservative bias”. He’ll position Nazipedia to replace it.
Then it will spring up again since the entire database is freely available.
It’s going to be very hard to maintain with a cohesive group of editors if it’s fractured in to different servers with everyone hosting a different copy. The current data may live on, but it’ll be a zombie.
