Reminds me of the community I got banned from because I didn’t see the rule that said you had to source all quotes, which apparently means you have to source the quote to the person you’re responding to, when you quote the comment you’re responding to. Fukkin brilliant rules
Some mods are just power hungry twats
“1984”
~1984, George Orwell
that looks a bit like Reddit. I still don’t understand why I got banned but I don’t caree anymore: it’s a way too pro american forum anyway.
It’s fine that they removed my comment, but their rules don’t say anything about “keeping it positive”
Besides, I’d consider wishing Trump would die to be neutral/optimistic.
Some could argue that you weren’t civil with Trump.
But that is far fetched and Trump isn’t civil in any conversation
I assumed wishing Trump would die was the equivalent of wishing someone a good day.
Wishing Trump would die is accepting reality that some people are inherently evil and them being alive has no value. This isn’t positive, is it? It’s sad as fuck.
The day that monster finally dies should be an international holiday. But then again, I don’t think he deserves that honour!
As someone who actually does read the rules for a bunch of places; they often have no relationship to what actually gets enforced.
This isn’t just a problem for social media communities. A bunch of business use boilerplate contracts and terms-of-service that again have no relation to how they actually operate.
I had a post about dishwashers (from the Technology Connections guy) removed from the Technology community because it wasn’t “on topic.” I’m sorry if I missed that dishwashers have been around since the Bronze Age.
Bronze is still technology. So are stone tools, and sticks when they’re used as tools.
Absolutely, and I really, really hate that. Admittedly I’m also autistic, so I probably take rules a bit more serious than many people. But still I am heavily confused by the concept that we live by laws every day which most of us never heard or read about. Especially in Germany, where I live, we have a lot of laws for everything, and 90% of them aren’t really enforced, but it still is theoretically expected of me to abide by them.
Just a strange concept overall.
There are a lot of cases where rules are a bit too strict, and it’s expected you might violate them where they don’t make sense - though if you do, you might be putting yourself at risk, and if something happens, the rule might protect anyone else involved.
But what pisses me off is that speed limits are consistently ignored. People might get mad at you for driving the speed limit. Either the limits are set stupidly low and need to be changed, or society needs to get its shit together and stop endangering people. Probably both.
There’s been experiments around changing speed limits. What they found is that people consistently speed by about a constant amount over the posted limit, so they keep the posted limit lower, and have all enforcement be at around 10mph over it.
Yay path dependence!
It’s a story told to keep the baby from crying.
All rules and laws are always open to interpretation and arbitrary. I heard that in a presentation by a historian of jurisprudence. She said that many people think that national law is clear but international isn’t but neither is. All can be (and are) used by the rich and powerful. Not only do they lobby in the process of the creation of laws but also in their enforcement.
Cum gutters.
For claiming GMOs are bred for glyphosate resistance, which is the real reason why USDA Organic products grew significantly in the market, not because consumers actually think Organic produce is “naturally” healthier.
But this was only enforced after I pissed off the mod in Political Memes and he went backwards through my comment history to find me in another community he mods to delete another comment lol.
Still a million times better than the reddit experience.
Lemme guess, that mod’s username starts with j and ends with d? Cuz that sure sounds familiar.
Literally the only mod action I can recall encountering here. Squatting on communities to control discourse like that is Reddit all over again, sadly. Still like it more, but it doesn’t bode well.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I specifically find the moddng behavior over at .world to be a huge problem. It’s good to have other places to go but that only reduces the big impact they make on Lemmy but so much.
Surprisingly no, but I’m pretty sure he’s the reason lemmy.ml has a separate world news community lol.
I got banned from a reddit group because I didn’t state my post in the form of a question. Like some jeopardy shit.
oh yeah I got a post removed for the same reason so I just started adding question marks even when it made no scene?
Thought of something fun the other day. While putting away groceries in the fridge, I realized that having a nubbin or something on the bottom of the refrigerator door would be massively helpful, allowing me to manipulate the door with my foot while I have full arms/hands.
So I went to reddit ‘showerthoughts’, which I thought was an appropriate venue for the idea, posted aaaaaaand immediately deleted. Mod said “read the rules,” and -no joke- it was like 5 pages of bullshit, wrapped in bullshit with bullshit bullet points. And despite reading it carefully, nowhere did I find the supposed rule I violated which was “to reply to your own post in the comments.”
Bro, fuck your website, fuck your rules, and fuck you.
I remember getting inspired by the “Polandball” comics, so I drew one myself. Even followed all the stylistic rules laid out on the sub and everything. But instead of just being allowed to post it you have to submit it to a mod first. And the mod rejected it because he didn’t get the joke. So explained the joke to them but they still thought it didn’t make sense, so I didn’t get a licence to post in the end.
I understand that there are rules for the kind of stuff you want to allow but come on man…
I made a polandball, submitted to the mod, and was told the joke was overused so rejected.
It was in the vein all the other jokes currently were, hence why I went with it.
It’s a shame they’re so gatekeepy. I found them quite fun in the past but since my experience trying to contribute unsubbed and never looked again. Fuck them
We could start our own polandball here! With blackjack! And hookers!
Reddit is in the end stages of an online forum. It’s too big to be good now. That’s why we are here. It’s way better
Mods on Reddit: Make sure you check the “do not post” list to make sure your post is not one of the 3k listed
Dude, I swear I still have PTSD from that shithole lol
Everytime I post a meme I stare at New for almost 10 minutes waiting for it to get removed, before I remember “Oh wait, this is Lemmy”
Seen posts with -50 downvotes that still stay at the top of Hot lol, it’s glorious
It was so off putting when you just wanted to share something and proceeded to get struck down by the wrath of the mods, or worse, the completely opaque auto filtering CQS system. As you can probably tell from my profile, I love making memes, but only really had the courage to start when I joined Lemmy, since if I made a bad one here it would just get downvoted and I would have a chance. This place is such a breath of fresh air.
Also Terms and Conditions.
Yup.
I remember in late 2003, when I read the legalese bumf that came with Windows XP… very long, and painful, drudgesome, cryptic, hiding “deal with the devil clauses” (they can change the agreement after you agree), and very restrictive.
Then I read the GNU GPL v1, and other Free Software licenses.
Never went back to the abuse of proprietary licensed operating systems.
The freedom, the upfront honesty, the brevity, the simplicity, … I thought for sure “The Year of the GNU+Linux Desktop” was sure to be the next year. … Everybody else reads the terms and conditions… right?
I read the terms and Conditions for Windows 10. It was clear that the person who wrote that had neither understanding of writing Terms and Conditions nor understanding of software. It was only later that I realized most laws are also written by people that neither know how to write laws nor understand the topic that law applies to.
Those arw like the best sites ever: https://www.tldrlegal.com/ https://tosdr.org/en I’il reae the summary and if i really feel like i’il read the whole shit
Idk about y’all but sometimes(actually, rarely, i do it more if i need it) i do read TOS/EULAs, depend how long and how much time i have though.
Most of the TOSes boil down to: “Don’t be a jerk towards us. Don’t be a jerk towards others. We don’t owe you the service. Sue us in California.” I usually skim the TOS to see if there’s something unusual.
As Louis Rossmann says, they have a rapist mentality
My favourite is when the privacy policy is behind a “do you accept our privacy policy, yes or yes” popup
Where are you all posting that have such heavy handed mods?
Reddit and Discord.
On Reddit almost every post from before 2024 has been removed (except if its porn or gore then it has been reposed 10 times, properly archived, protected from link rot and mod approved).
On Discord most servers dont keep records of who gets banned/have no appeal process.
Ikr? I don’t think I’ve had anything removed yet, and it’s not like I’ve been being super nice or anything lol
I doubt it’s lemmy. But I get stuff removed all the time from the various forums I’m on, for random ass reasons. Sometimes it’s language, despite literally everyone saying fuck constantly. I got one removed for bumping an “old thread” which was about 8 weeks old, and still on the front page. Inconsistent enforcement is the most annoying thing.
Saturn retrograde is serious
Uranus in ascendancy tho?
I’d say Mars
Yep, hopefully it will align with N64 soon.
I’m permabanned on !politics@lemmy.world because I warned someone “careful, some of the mods on here are snowflakes”
Permaban, same instance, no notification. No recourse.
If someone said: “moderator x is a removed”, guess what? It’s on the same level as that.
Wrong. You’re banned because you called the mods autistic in a way that implies autism is something to be looked down upon, hence using it as a slur. So not only you tried to insult the mods, you were ableistic in doing so.
Also, it was not the firsf time you went against that sub’s rules.
I can’t figure out how to view the modlog on my phone but it’s available isn’t it?
Can anybody link to the modlog for kingofras@lemmy.world please and then we don’t have to rely on “he said, she said”
Thanks CyberEgg!
Friendly reminder that this will keep getting removed here, because mods are autistic and apply rules very strictly. It needs to be published by one of Donnies mates in the main stream media (or his enemies that are threatened) before you can post it
Looks like you’re full of shit, “king”.
Looks like you love authoritarianism, so in case you’re in the US, enjoy your stay.
You do realise this mod is only now specifying to me in a public thread the actual reason for my ban, and you’re telling I am the one full of shit.
Big difference. Autism isn’t a slur, it’s a type of behaviour, I am autistic. It is to specify they follow rules very specifically (and without empathy) and again, I am warning others, which you could take issue with. So I was permabanned based on an implication?
Yes there were multiple occasions of that, and not just on that community. Mods are not keeping the community safer by removing that, they are just using their excess power to enforce respect rather than earning it.
The way you know it is excessive mod abuse is because they went straight to permaban, no warning, no temp ban.
They way you know they are autistic is that:
- politics only allows US politcs, not world politics, despite its name being generic.
- only news articles with the exact same headline are allowed, no modifications allowed even if it is to provide clarity.
- if it is only about US politics, their literal castle is on fire, and they are one of the last free place on the internet for free speech, and they are permabanning people left right and centre for implying ableism.
Don’t just show the modlog on me, show it on the entire community. Last thing I saw on there was crying about people creating hit and run accounts, and while I don’t condone of that either, just hapslappy permabanning is the cause of that.
As I said in my other comment, down the reddit drain we must go, because we didn’t change the fundamental problem of reddit, which was mod abuse.
This is an open form let people speak, or fuck off to reddit if you want to be powerhungry like spez.
You just can’t call people autistic when you’re complaining about them and wonder why you’re perceived as ableistic. Also you can’t just telediagnose someone based on a few interactions. Autism diagnostics take hours of interview by a trained diagnostician. As an autist, you should fucking know that.
And you cannot repeatedly break a forum’s rules and expect to not get banned. You probably got permabanned because you broke that forum’s rules once too often.
Next thing you do is go to a language specific forum and demand them posting in english. You’re just boneheaded if you expected that to work.
Well apparently I offended you and I’m sorry if I did.
I didn’t go on a forum and demand they speak English. I saw some disturbing imagery in german and said that this probably should be wider known. I trust you were the one doing that mod remove or will be able to find the exact wording.
This is the other thing. On good fast clients like Voyager, the community is really not that important or visible. People just respond and post. That’s it.
This is how it is supposed to work. I posted something in English on a German forum, didn’t know that that was a german forum to begin with, and it got removed. Fair and square. The mods have some custom rules, and they enforce them reasonably. No ban or permaban.
I once responded to a post on a women-only forum. My post was reported by a woman who was attempting to gender other users (and pointed to me because I have ‘king’ in the username). The moderator told me I wasn’t welcome, and I refused to be gendered and asked her to ban me to avoided future accidental comments. The key thing is that these are all online incursions that happen every day and they don’t result in permanent bans.
Autism can be self diagnosed, and don’t fucking talk to me that way. Not all of the world is full of snowflakes. You can in some places say forbidden words and be light about them without offending anyone.
Permabanning should not be a thing. It’s a disproportionate response to a barely existing problem. And if you have it, at least it should have an appeals process.
You really got one hell of warped perception of reality and yourself.
Permabanning should not be a thing
It should be, when one person cannot otherwise be convinced to comply to the rules, as you couldn’t apparently.
I use voyager myself, never accidentally posted or commented in the wrong c/, because they’re always visibly displayed under the post. That’s just a dumb excuse
The rest of your comment just shows how self absorbed you are, and I don’t have time or energy to get you out of that. Discussing with you apparently is pointless, so I stop doing that now. Bye.
Auf Wiedersehen
The more things change the more they stay the same.
It’s pretty easy to switch instances now!
I’m permabanned from !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world because I got provoked into complaining about the rules in the pinned thread for discussing the rules. I never said I didn’t intend to follow them anyway! Absolute bullshit power-tripping.
Permabans should not be instant. Permabans should require a warning Permabans should have an expiry.
Absent that, you’ll be able to brag about how many new user sign up every day, because people want to continue participating in a community, despite pissing off a random moderator.
Oh weirdly enough I think I saw somebody replying to your comment! Was it quite recent? The impression they had was that you were banned for ban evasion I think, i.e. that you’d been banned before, then had come back on a new account to call the mods snowflakes.
Not sure tho, don’t quote me, and I don’t honestly care all that much - just saying that might be a reason, rather than what you actually said.
I have one account. This one.
Yes it was recent, and that thread was the last one I saw before replying didn’t work anymore.
I’ve been here for a while, and I think it may be time to say goodbye to this. Federated or not, it’s the same mechanics that made Reddit toxic (minus karma) and the devs are pretty much mini Spezzes, so I doubt it will be that much better in the long run.
In fact poorly modded communities like c/politics will eventually get ignored by more and more and others on piefied and dbzero will grow and then they will get to critical mass until those mods get too crazy.
The core problem these communities and reddits miss is that you have a person coughing up 2~12 hours a week for free to moderate a platform they down own. What is their payment? How are they kept in check? How can users appeal?
And here we have that problem one level up where people call for defederation from certain instances. And there is instance admin abuse.
There are a handful of shitty instances and a handful of mods on popular politics communities that are shitty, but the vast majority of communities are drama free. Politics communities everywhere on the internet end up being drama fests though, with being shitty scaling with popularity.
That’s more a people problem than a lemmy problem. Anyone can make as many instances as they can afford and as many communities as they like.
I don’t see the comparison between spez and the admins, Lemmy is a much different model from reddit.
For as much as I post, I only had two mod actions against me I felt were disproportionate, which is pretty good considering there is no way for anyone to make 100% good decisions all the time. Otherwise good people can flame out and bad people can still be fair mods.
I didn’t like a couple of the big news coms, so I made my own. Build the things you want to see, because you are the fediverse as long as you’re on it.
Not who you are replying to, but anyway. I generally find this place a lot better than reddit. Everything you point out is valid, RE: core problem. Moderating is volunteer work, and by nature mods have authority. The real crux as you point out is the lack of ability to appeal a ban. That and lack of ban standardization even amongst mods. Paying mods wouldn’t help really. You can’t ask mods to attend a so you want to be a moderator: a training program for those still in denial about their agoraphobia program.
Because instances admins can ultimately take their ball and go home like you mention. It’s a tricky situation.
There’s a lot of whinging and fussing and very online behaviour on Lemmy. I mostly find that when I start getting annoyed by that stuff, it’s time to do something else.
Ngl I find it kinda fun to read rules and think what situations they would apply to.
Remembering the rules on the other hand…
At this point it is easier to copy the comunity rules to the AI chatbot and ask it to check the message you want to publish.
