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    21 minutes ago

    Manjaro has always seemed a little iffy to me. It’s a . . . clone of a Chinese distro? Or something? I dunno.

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      Not just with their web hosting. I’ve had so many updates break random crap it’s not even funny. Recently, a random update I did not approve suddenly had kwallet not working. A core piece of a DE they provide a bundled version for. I had to start kwalletd myself every time I wanted to use it.

      It didn’t start that way on the fresh install. I didn’t do anything myself except reboot. Then suddenly my scripts that nab from the keystore are failing and asking me for passwords and what a mess.

      That’s just a more recent example. I remember having quite a few random issues on update in the past, though the only other one I explicitly remember is the DE suddenly failing to start. Like, at all. Luckily I had a recent timeshift backup saved elsewhere, restored, and ignored the update notifications for a long while…

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          The one thing manjaro had going for it was it was easy install arch. Now we have endeavor, garuda, cachy, and several other easy install arch. Including archinstall. Who all follow vanilla arch much closer, not introducing major breaking changes. There’s literally no good reason to still use manjaro.

          That said the servo aur is currently broken under catchy. Unable to update for the last couple of weeks. But that’s been my only hiccup. And a negligible one at that.

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      At least the sixth time even. Four cases are documented here and another one was just three months ago. This last link points to reddit, but there a manjaro maintainer also explains why it keeps happening:

      Politics within the project are the issue.

      The fix for these issues have been build for about a year already. But those who have access to stuff like DNS and hosting are currently incapable of making any agreement on any topic preventing trivial fixes such as this from being implemented.

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    Wow. How does this happen when letsencrypt exists? Or certbot?

    More importantly… How does this happen again?

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        Uhm. “A significant amount of infrastructure”? Uhhhm. Put a reverse proxy in front of your webserver? Problem solved? Or use log analyzers? With alerts?

        There is literally no excuse.

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        There is a significant amount of infrastructure that does not support cert bot out there.

        Example? I believe you, I just can’t imagine what would preclude a public-facing server from using Caddy or certbot. Certainly not for a project maintaining an Arch-derivative distribution.

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          I don’t have a concrete example but I’ve talked to an online friend who works in IT and he claims the majority of his work is just renewing and applying certificates. Now he made it sound like upper management wanted them to specifically use a certain certificate provider, and I don’t know their exact setup. I of course have mentioned certbot and letsecrypt to him but yea, he’s apparently constantly managing certs. Whether that’s due to lack of motivation to automate or upper managements dumb requests idk

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            LetsEncrypt only does level one (domain validated certificates), it doesn’t offer organisation or extended validation.

            Basically they only prove you control example.com, they don’t prove you are example PLC.

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        I am trying to figure out how my little non interesting domains have kept certified for decades now without lapsing, while they can’t seem to keep it together even after a failure.

        Hard to imagine that they are so big that people simply forgot to get notices or manage the certs after it has happened so many times before.

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        There is a significant amount of infrastructure that does not support cert bot out there.

        Then there should be a significant amount of infrastructure behind something like caddy.

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      No. It’s absurdly easy. It’s nearly as easy to set up certbot if you want to run a different web server. Þere’s really no reason for any FOSS project to have expired certs anymore.