• Fizz@lemmy.nz
    4·
    4 hours ago

    Do people actually think the middle east conflict will start ww3?

    • Saleh@feddit.org
      1·
      58 minutes ago

      Israel is currently attacking Iranian Oil and Gas.

      Iran could retaliate by closing the Persian Gulf, where 20% of global Oil and Gas shipping goes through and to weaken US, UK and other support for Israel. This could bring these countries onto the plan, but also Israels allies UAE and Saudi Arabia. When more countries join against Iran, China could feel threatened, or see an opportunity in the distraction, Russia will certainly ramp up its efforts in Ukraine. The economic fallout of the explosion in oil and gas prices globally could tip over other conflicts into wars.

      This can definitely spiral into another world war. Remember that WW1 was caused by serbian seperatists assasinating the austrio-hungarian crown prince.

    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 hours ago

      Could easily be the start of it. If the US civil wars with the orangutan and his ilk, and China starts to fuck with Russia because Xi recognises Putin as a paper tiger dumbass (though China’s army is also paper tigery, so…) or just escalates their fighting with India…

      Then… That’d be most of the world involved in war.

  • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    223·
    6 hours ago

    Germany is the second largest provider of weapons to Israel, and a huge longtime consumer of Russian gas, this is a tonedeaf as hell meme.

    • 007Ace@lemm.eeEnglish
      6·
      4 hours ago

      Donald Drumpf would be his name if I remember John Oliver correctly.

    • gibson@sopuli.xyz
      136·
      6 hours ago

      They also ditched nuclear energy and stayed over reliant on russian fossil fuel, funding the Russian war machine

      • Saleh@feddit.org
        4·
        55 minutes ago

        The nuclear rods in Europe are mainly made with Uranium from Kazakhstan processed in Russia.

        The German failure was not expanding renewables. Getting out of nuclear energy is geopolitically and financially sound.

      • albert180@piefed.socialEnglish
        62·
        4 hours ago

        These nuclear energy zealots are spilling over from r/europe with the same stupid arguments

    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
      52·
      7 hours ago

      Always on the wrong side of history.
      Not a coincidence that fascism and zionism are twins

  • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
    673·
    10 hours ago

    Germany is Europe’s biggest supporter of Israel.

    The biggest issue is that we, the EU, are on the side of Germany now. And their track record with world wars isn’t great.

    • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world
      27·
      8 hours ago

      To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of “original sin”. What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

      The problem is that “nothing of the sort” has translated into “opposing Jews in any way”. It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to “atone for their sins”, and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It’s very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they’ve done a laudable job at condemning.

      What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it’s difficult, and I don’t have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.

      • Saleh@feddit.org
        1·
        48 minutes ago

        Germany doesnt care about Jews. The moment Jews are not fitting the box Germany designed for them by not blindly supporting Israel, those Jews are facing the same repressions like anyone else who challenges Germanies blind support for Israel.

        German politics, media and parts of civil society think that blind support of Israel is serving certain interests of Germany and they do it purely for these reasons. In particular we see it being used to justify racist discrimination against Arabs and other “brown” people and to crack down with increasing authoritarianism on leftist and ecological political positions.

        Like Israeli society they have deluded themselves into thinking that they know better than everyone else in the world what is right and wrong and fail to see, how this actually harms Germany tremendously.

      • p3n@lemmy.world
        11·
        5 hours ago

        Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

        I don’t say this to excuse anything Israel is doing, but this is gross recency bias that is glossing over numerous genocides that have occurred since the Holocaust, including:

        Not technically genocides, but also worth mentioning in the same vein:

        So ya, other than those events, this is the closest thing to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

      • Iceman@lemmy.worldEnglish
        104·
        7 hours ago

        The problem is that Germans now just look generally pro-genocidal.

        • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world
          17·
          7 hours ago

          This is a classic problem of going into one ditch, then oversteering and hitting the opposite ditch.

          Germany has worked so hard on “The Holocaust was terrible, we will forever support the Jews to make up for it” that they’re now supporting a genocidal Jewish state.

          My point is that I understand why this is hard for them. For them to oppose Israel invokes some associations that they really want to keep far away. However, now, supporting Israel invokes the same associations. This puts them in a kind of catch-22 situation, where no matter what they do, they’re invoking associations to the Nazis.

          To be clear: I think the only right thing to do now is to oppose Israel. I just understand why that is exceptionally hard for Germany.

          • Iceman@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            7 hours ago

            Well put! It’s a shame that they put all focus on supporting their primary victim and so little on never again allowing their actions. Their word would weigh heavy thou if they ever stepped on that land mine.

  • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
    71·
    8 hours ago

    It’s still possible to ask if Germany could have prevented it.

  • belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    102·
    9 hours ago

    Ne digga, unsere scheiß Regierung macht den Kack ja mit, weil einzige Demokratie im nahen Osten und Staatsräson und so

    • entwine413@lemm.ee
      15·
      11 hours ago

      While Hitler was Austrian, Germans carried out the orders.

      But honestly, the 1918 influenza was largely responsible for WWII, because the people who would have prevented Germany from getting ass fucked in the Treaty of Versailles were sick and didn’t attend.

    • Nangijala@feddit.dk
      2·
      8 hours ago

      That’s not how you spell Australians and last I checked they didn’t start any world wars.

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      /s

    • entwine413@lemm.ee
      54·
      11 hours ago

      So it was the Austrian military, not the German military? I guess they should update the history books.

      • Owl@mander.xyz
        71·
        9 hours ago

        WWI: Franz Ferdinad of Austria gets assasinated —> Austria-Hungary starts WWI

        WWII: A famous Austrian failed painter wasn’t happy about the outcome of WWI

        And the initial post doesn’t mention any “military”