• rickrolled767@ttrpg.network
    34·
    7 days ago

    The funny thing for me is I swapped to fedora after my last attempt to use arch failed spectacularly.

    I’ve found I’m at a point where I just want my device to work and work well

    • festnt@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      6 days ago

      i’ve heard a bunch of people talking about cachyos

      i use endeavour os, and when i get my pc back (i moved and haven’t been able to build it yet) i’m planning on installing base arch

      so, what are the upsides to cachyos?

      • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
        31·
        6 days ago

        As a gaming-oriented distro, CachyOS is ready to use right out of the box. It’s similar to Endeavor, but goes a few steps further with its opinions. I’d still be using it if it weren’t for AUR’s serious malware problems.

        • festnt@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          5 days ago

          hmmm interesting. i might use it, but now i need to know more about the AUR’s malware problems. i haven’t heard of them and am now kinda scared

    • tempest@lemmy.ca
      11·
      7 days ago

      Yeah at some point they are all the same to me it’s just the different package manager. Pacman, apt, yum or whatever they are calling it now a days.

      Most use systemd.

      I started using Arch flavors because when you have brand new hardware the latest kernel can be important. After the machine is a couple years old it doesn’t really matter.

      Also Endeavouros is where it’s at (but don’t tell the vanilla Arch people, they won’t help me with my problems if they find out)

      • trepX@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        7 days ago

        Agreed. After years of Ubuntu (who remember single digits?) Endeavour OS really knocked it out of the park on my new laptop. Everything smooth as butter, out of the box. Hibernation works on a bleeding edge device. No tearing. HDR works. VRR works. YouTube 4k 60fps no drops. Games run beautifully.

        Okay, some BT issues, and the Wifi card is crap, and I don’t know how much of this is due to having an AMD graphics vs NVIDIA. But it’s sooo damn smooth. Games just work. KDE plasma >>>> gnome, and I say that as a gnome user since canonical killed unity.

        Don’t get me started on the arch ecosystem and documentation. yay 😁

        Just do what you’ve been wanting to do for a long time

      • paequ2@lemmy.today
        1·
        6 days ago

        they are all the same

        If anyone is interested in something different, I could recommend Guix. No systemd. The package manager works different than your typical apt.

    • rozodru@lemmy.world
      3·
      7 days ago

      I think when you first get into Linux it’s a valid thing. you want to find the distro that you’re most comfortable with.

      When I first started using linux I tried them all and eventually just settled on Arch because it felt right to me. That being said I don’t knock anyone who uses whatever. A good friend of mine online uses Slackware and he loves it, it works for him. There’s no “wrong” distro, it’s whatever works for you. you have to initially hop around though to find that though.

      Also distro hopping is great when it comes to helping people, especially new linux users. I’ve made many friends within the community because for a solid year I just hopped all over the place and tried to learn it all.

    • lepinkainen@lemmy.world
      2·
      7 days ago

      I switched from Ubuntu to Debian when I got pissed about something.

      But it’s not a hop, more like a leisurely walk 😀

      • paequ2@lemmy.today
        1·
        5 days ago

        Guix’s FOSS stance is… cool… I guess… but can be very impractical. The main channel only ships linux-libre which will give you problems on most modern hardware. I immediately had to add nonguix to get my laptop working.

        No, the reason I went with Guix is because their tools and APIs seem/feel a bit more polished than Nix. I also feel better about learning Guile Scheme because it’s a more general-purpose language than Nixlang and I just personally found it more intuitive.

        But yeah Nix is definitely more mature, has more packages, and has more documentation scattered about. Also, Guix uses GNU Shepherd instead of systemd… which… I don’t know how I feel about that yet…

        • sudoer777@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          5 days ago

          How do you do Flakes with Guix? When I tried to use it, the closest I could get was a script using time-machine to output a lockfile, and it was still missing many other important features such as inputting other Flakes and their dependencies. Also NixOS/Home Manager have tons of configuration options that integrate with each other (i.e. Shell integrations, stylix) that Guix doesn’t have so with Guix I had to use dotfiles directly which is less powerful. Also on aarch64 Guix is way bugger and like half of the large packages wouldn’t compile a lot of the time, their lack of quality control was also one of the things that pushed me to Nix.

          The one thing I do miss from Guix though is the containerized shells.

          • paequ2@lemmy.today
            1·
            2 days ago

            How do you do Flakes with Guix?

            Good question. I haven’t gotten there yet… but I hear yeah, something with channels.scm and time-machine? I haven’t tried that workflow yet. Also, something about inferiors?

            NixOS/Home Manager … with Guix I had to use dotfiles directly which is less powerful

            I actually found that I like using the home-dotfiles-service-type because I already have everything in dot files. Although, I have a very simple setup, so I’m not sure more powerful features would be useful for me… maybe? idk.

            aarch64 Guix is way bugger

            Ah, ok. I haven’t tried this.

            half of the large packages wouldn’t compile a lot of the time

            Hm, weird. Maybe this has gotten better? I haven’t had a problem with anything compiling yet. I did run into a bug with Obsidian not launching correctly and that took a few weeks to resolve, I think.

            Guix is definitely lacking manpower for sure, but I’m vibing with the foundations so far. So I’m hoping things get better over time.

            • sudoer777@lemmy.mlEnglish
              1·
              2 days ago

              This was the closest I managed to get to a Flake with Guix. I’m bad at Guile so there might be other things I missed.

              With Nix I made a Flake that automatically configures a text editor that can be imported into other Flakes for my own projects which is easy to do with Nix.

              For system configurations, the flake-parts based configuration makes it easy to mix and match modules for different systems that edit parts of program configurations that I need (i.e. different modules add different aliases to Nushell). Idk how Guix handles this since I haven’t figured out Guile well.

              I did run into a bug with Obsidian not launching correctly and that took a few weeks to resolve, I think.

              I’ve experienced this with Nix before for a different program, although once I made an issue request it got responses immediately and I didn’t even do anything else. Meanwhile for Guix, I tried contributing a package that I spent several hours working on, and I asked multiple channels for support and didn’t get a response, then when I submitted it no response for a year before it was finally rejected, so my experience with the maintainers wasn’t great either and this made me hesitant to invest more time into the ecosystem.

  • ghen@sh.itjust.works
    3·
    6 days ago

    I’m on kubuntu. I can just Google questions with ubuntu attached to the query and it tells me a gui solution if it’s available. Bonus, there’s far less people telling me I’m doing it wrong, they just assume I’m a newbie.

  • CosmicSurgeon@lemmy.ml
    4·
    7 days ago

    I have the same problem with NixOS and Debian.

    Currently every family computer and server in the house runs Debian 12 as a base. But the urge to convert everything to Nix one day still tickles me, who knows someday…

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5·
      7 days ago

      I have Nix installs on two computers and have moved one of them twice to different hardware. Works, as it says, on the side of the tin.

      BUUUUT… It’s a bear to get under control. It adds a lot complexity to things that should be simple, it makes some things nearly impossible, and then makes really hugely difficult things cake.

      for example, one of a thousands things I want to do that’s easy

      If I want to run parsec client. (there is no server available sadly)

      nix search nixpkgs parsec

      • legacyPackages.x86_64-linux.parsec-bin (150_97c) Remote streaming service client

      nix-shell -p parsec-bin #ephemeral install, puts it in the store but only links it for this shell

      done! Let’s start it!

      parsec

      parsec: command not found

      parsec-bin

      parsec-bin: command not found

      parsec-client

      parsec-client: command not found

      google: nixos parsec

      a million ways to run parsec but none from the package manager

      google: nixos packages->https://search.nixos.org/packages

      https://search.nixos.org/packages

      parsec-bin

      nothing about how to run it

      but there are at least notes about how to install it permanently

      so you plow through /nix/store looking for parsec, 4 minutes later

      parsecd

      they could have just included that in the docs, but nope…

      Honestly, I really enjoy it, it feels like I’m in slackware back in the 90’s completely lost and confused learning everything new, and moving an install from box to box with a home directory sync and two files? chef’s kiss

      Figuring out why a rebuild isn’t working is pain. Figuring out why an update won’t run, is pain.

      ohh and you only get a month after a major release to install it before they stop putting in security updates for the previous version. And historically all the revisions before 25.05 were generally not just one and done. 24.11 ended up with me doing a wipe, fresh install, restoring my home folder and slowly easing parts of configuration.nix back in one rebuild at a time. but to be fair, they’ve been fighting wayland for a while now.

      My desktops are Nix, my servers are Debian.

      • CosmicSurgeon@lemmy.ml
        1·
        4 days ago

        Thanks for your experience, it’s easy to forget have stable debian really are and glorify nix as the one config to rule them all. Backports and lts kernels vs a four weeks update window are miles apart. I should go back and enjoy all my systemd services and sync/backup scripts instead.

        But the urge still tickles, hopefully I can contain it inside a vm :)

    • lepinkainen@lemmy.world
      2·
      7 days ago

      I tried three times. Failed 3 times.

      And I started with Slackware in the 90s. I can handle jank.

      But Nix really needs to take a clue from Arch on the documentation front…

      • mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        6·
        6 days ago

        Fedora doesn’t ship video accelerated mesa drivers(which are open source) by default and is a bit of pain in the ass to setup. They do that because they are very much tied to IBM and have to respect software patents(maybe for legal reasons). This is for intel and AMD graphics and if you take fedora as plug and play, browsers will use cpu to decode vidoes and and heats up as if i’m gaming when i play a simple video.

        I use fedora too but hates this specific thing. Most other distros ship with official mesa drivers.

      • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
        31·
        6 days ago

        Fedora includes incomplete video codecs that can’t use GPU acceleration. This forces the CPU to do the decoding. Fedora claims it’s because of imaginary “patent issues” due to its IBM backing. You can install the correct ones from RPM Fusion, but it’s an extra step and it’s not made clear that this is even a problem. You might notice only after you wonder why you have such high CPU temperatures while doing basic things like browsing the web.

        • krunklom@lemmy.zip
          2·
          5 days ago

          I’m using fedora 42 kde on my new laptop since I couldn’t get mint working - fucking visit drivers.

          Anywho, doom: the dark ages runs like wet ass and I’m wondering if it has something to do with video codecs or mesa )don’t know what mesa is and there’s a 5080 in there.

          I reinstalled tempeh and all my videos work, but - any chance you could point me towards what to do with the video codecs just so I can confirm? If you can offer some guidance on how to install whatever mesa is I want to try that to see if it helps (even though afaik the game should be using the ncidia drivers anyway).

          The laptop has a ryzen cpu btw.

          Also cool if you can’t help. Figured I’d ask. I’m new to fedora.

          Edit: it just suddenly works fine now for no particular reason.