• Warl0k3@lemmy.world
    11·
    3 hours ago

    I loathe windows, but I did just double check because this sounds inept even for M$ – Win photos will absolutely open .webp, but it’s not the default program for whatever reason and it just defaults to edge / your_default_web_browser_here. Which is just impressively on brand for microsoft. Even when they have a feature they hide it to, idk, make themselves look even worse? Why not!

    proof

    (FWIW this is a clean install, I do not have any non-default codecs installed)

  • 𝚝𝚛𝚔@aussie.zoneEnglish
    181·
    7 hours ago

    Irfanview is the answer.

    I don’t even know what the question was tbh, but I’m still right.

    • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
      26·
      6 hours ago

      not allowing webp is the answer.

      webp, as the name suggests, is a web image format. not a digital image format.

      webp is a fucking cancer and deserves to be put in the same place betamax and 8-tracks were left to rot.

      • dev_null@lemmy.ml
        72·
        5 hours ago

        I use webp a lot, it’s smaller than PNG for lossless images like screenshots and smaller than JPG for lossy while working for both. All the image editors and image viewers I use support it, so it’s not inconvenient for me in any way.

        Also Portable Network Graphics, as the name suggests, is a network image format, not a digital image format. Just having a laugh : )

      • laz@pawb.social
        41·
        6 hours ago

        There are many valid criticisms one can make of webp; perhaps discussing the pros and cons. Rather than using those you instead went after it’s name not being linguistically accurate.

        A bold strategy cotton.

  • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
    11·
    7 hours ago

    Time to screenshot the preview and stretch out the jpeg. Upload it when the time calls, only for the web server to re-encode it in webp. The cycle continues.

  • pHr34kY@lemmy.world
    4·
    6 hours ago

    I was trying to write something that would save an AVIF image this week. Holy shit the ecosystem is bad. I had to encode the image and write the exif tags with two different libraries. The latter being a CLI program and not a library. The WEBP situation is even worse.

    We are never getting away from JPEG.

  • Matriks404@lemmy.world
    1·
    4 hours ago

    Huh? I am pretty sure I didn’t have any problem opening WebP files when I was still using Windows 10 (switched to Debian GNU/Linux btw).

  • flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz
    184·
    15 hours ago

    This is MS we’re talking about. Preview and Viewer are probably made by two different teams in different countries, sharing no code, and prohibited from communicating with each other, even if they know about the other’s existence.

    And famously they fired all QAs years ago so there’s nobody to test before releasing.

    • BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works
      56·
      14 hours ago

      I work in big tech and this is my life. I envy anyone who thinks you’re exaggerating, because that means they haven’t experienced the joy of spending weeks trying to track down the team responsible for a bug and then months hassling them to fix it.

      • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub
        24·
        10 hours ago

        And if they do talk to each other, the different departments need to go through the whole hierarchy for everything and each manager puts their spin on it, so you get answers back from questions that were not asked.

        • herrvogel@lemmy.world
          22·
          9 hours ago

          Here’s a real and true story about how separate Microsoft teams communicate and coordinate:

          Few weeks ago, some Microsoft team from the US deprecated some critical service used by other Microsoft products. They just shut it off without notifying anyone. Other teams from other Microsoft offices in the rest of the world found about this deprecation when their production builds started failing to log customers in to the applications that they need for their businesses. People were called in from their vacations, emergency meetings were held to play hot potato with responsibility. Clients were PISSED. I stopped following the drama before it was resolved.

          • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub
            4·
            6 hours ago

            What is actually the best way to set up good communication between people and departments? Daily stand-ups tend to become hour long meetings. Make it an e-mail means people don’t read it half the time, some even having a rule to automatically shred that kind of mails. Set up talks between people and have a bunch of them not showing up but then get angry nobody asked them for their opinion.

    • sga@lemmings.worldEnglish
      9·
      13 hours ago

      I can almost guarantee that they would be using different things. usually you have simpler libraries to decode formats (almost 1 for each codec), and separate programs plug these libraries in to generate the output. previews do not have to be accurate and have to be fast, so a simpler program with just linear scaling or something, where as actual image would be complex which has to worry about accuracy.

      still not a excuse to not have support for a free 15 year old format

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
    42·
    12 hours ago

    I kept a copy of the old Windows XP version of media viewer/pictute viewer, whatever the hell its generic name was becsuse at some point in, IIRC, Vista, they updated it to some piece of garbage that had an uglier UI, worked slower, had no options for slideshows, and didn’t even support shit like animated .gifs.

    Even that old ass program can open a .webp image.

    • Matriks404@lemmy.world
      2·
      4 hours ago

      I think it opens webp images, because it uses some built-in library (in your OS) to load and display images. WebP format was introduced in 2010, and Windows XP in 2001, so it couldn’t support it out of the box.

    • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      21·
      11 hours ago

      Yo that was an absolute joke. Were they serious with that?

      Windows handled gifs fine for years then suddenly only the first frame. Seriously?!

    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
      4·
      8 hours ago

      Wait how does that program know how to open webp? Does webp have like a fallback png mode or something?

  • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    871·
    15 hours ago

    Webp is the worst format ever.

    Never mind that:

    • it supports transparency;
    • it can be losslessly OR lossfully compressed;
    • it’s so efficient it can fit ẏ̷̛̀̏̎̇͜ǫ̷̼̰̳̹́̆̍̐͜͝ủ̷͉̱̻̤̬̯̈́ŗ̸̒ ̸̨̟͈̳͍̱̀̏̓m̵̺͎̋́u̴͇̥͍͐̇̀̇͊̌̚͝m̸̢̢͕̻̬͙̒͗̽͋͆̕͝ in less than 2GB;
    • it can be animated;
    • is more than capable of representing 1:1 any GIF image;

    it sucks because the one image viewer I’ve ever had installed by the ubiquitous (= monopolistic) operating system everyone has by default doesn’t support it.

    • sga@lemmings.worldEnglish
      211·
      13 hours ago

      avif is better than it in almost all ways, and jpex xl is even better than that (but not about gifs i think)

      webp is essentially a webm file (which is mkv with codec restrictions(vp8/9 and ogg vorbis or opus))

      avif is av1 encoded files in a webp like container (but not webm afaik)

      jpeg xl is a format made specifically for images

        • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          9 hours ago

          IMO AVIF works really well at making convincing looking results at really high compression ratios, it’s worse at pretty much everything else.

          And occasionally the ‘convincing looking’ results aren’t actually very accurate to the original image…

          But those results really do look very convincing.

          And IMO one of the most compelling features of JPEG-XL is its’ great lossless compression, although it is generally good all-around. AVIF is pretty terrible at lossless compression, usually well-behind WebP and only a bit better than PNG.

          Anyways, for photos, if you want to compress them a ton then maybe AVIF is best, but if you want high quality JXL is probably best.

          I think https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-and-the-pareto-front is a good comparison

        • sga@lemmings.worldEnglish
          7·
          12 hours ago

          what would they be?

          do you mean in sense of lossy or lossless? if so, in theory both webp and avif could have lossless photos, but i do not think they are designed for that (think in terms of their backrounds, they are kinda like a single frame videos. and usually you only have lossy video).

          jpeg xl in theory aims to take job of both jpeg and png (it can handle lossy as well as lossless). In theory, we (as in all of computing and media people) decide to back on jpegxl, we could potentially just have 1 format, and accordingly 1 library which provides support. but that is just a dream i do not see happening. google essentially paralysed jpeg xl by removing it from chromium , and that is the largest userbase.

          almost all other big companies want to use jpeg xl. meta, adobe, intel and others. the main benefit to them is reduced bandwidth cost (for exactly same data, jpeg xl can be ~20% smaller than jpeg), and jpeg can be losslessly translated to jxl, and even for backwards compatibility, reverse can be done on client end. but without chrome, no web developer will adopt. if web people do not, the demand for format would be extremely small, no hardware manufacturer will include hardware support (your gpus have “special” stuff for almot all codecs and formats, but that is not the case for jxl for now), so jxl operations currently are slow, so end user might not even be motivated to use (other than space savings).

          https://jpegxl.info/

            • sga@lemmings.worldEnglish
              4·
              10 hours ago

              okay. it is a lot simplified, but mostly correct. ideally image format for drawn out stuff and other flat animated stuff is svg (vector graphics - ie - infinitely scalable yet crisp), but png is usually used because it is defacto lossless standrad. lossless here roughly translates to - sensor produced a matrix of colors - lossless photo preserves all data. lossy discards some data. For irl stuff, usually lossless is overkill for end user, hence you see jpegs (defacto lossy standrad)

              jxl can so both. others can do that as well. jpegs can be lossless, but that is usually not the standard we use. you can store lossy data in pngs, but the loss is not created by png. jxl behaves by default like lossless (like png), but due to newer algorithms, size when lossless is closer to jpeg. if you prepare loss jxl - it can be close to half size of jpegs.

              there are other benifits to jxl (extreme future proofing (extremely high bit depth, and pixel size limit, large amount of channels), progressive decoding, etc.), but our reality has to suck because of google.

              I locally use jxl to store family photos, but this means i can not send them, because they are using stuff which does not support jxl, so have to convert and share.

    • Oxysis/Oxy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      368·
      14 hours ago

      I just hate webp because it’s supported in a grand total of 2 programs so it’s just annoying to deal with

      • Matriks404@lemmy.world
        3·
        4 hours ago

        I like how you say that it’s supported by grand total of 2 programs, yet I never had any problems opening it in any media viewing software. Even Windows Paint opens it as far as I am aware.

        • Ephera@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          4 hours ago

          I do expect it to be a matter of time. Typically, you pull some image rendering library into your program, which pulls in a whole bunch of libraries that support the different image formats.
          As such, it’s the job of that intermediary library to support as many formats as possible. If you keep that intermediary library up-to-date, you may get support for new image formats without really doing anything.

          But well, it may take more time for this to happen, for various reasons. One reason is obviously that we already have other image formats that may not be amazing, but they work everywhere, so most people continue to use those.
          Another aspect that may slow adoption down, is that .webp was spear-headed by Google alone. Normally, you get other industry leaders into the boat, to make sure you cover everyone’s use-cases and have somewhat of a commitment for them to integrate it. I assume that Photoshop supports .webp by now, but it probably took relatively long for that to happen, for example.

    • adarza@lemmy.caEnglish
      41·
      13 hours ago

      and with very few exceptions i’ve run across, it’s also (intentionally or not) configured to produce shit-tier quality output by pretty much everyone implementing it at any sort of scale.

  • grue@lemmy.world
    53·
    14 hours ago

    Is this a Windows problem I’m too Linux to understand?

    Seriously, everything on my computer – Firefox, Dolphin, Gwenview, GIMP, etc. – supports webp just fine.

    • 0x0@lemmy.zip
      2·
      3 hours ago

      I’m too Linux to understand?

      The advantage of using shared libraries is that you only need the one to support webp system-wide and then all apps that need it have it.

    • Jesus@lemmy.world
      162·
      12 hours ago

      It’s an everywhere problem. A lot of sites and apps still don’t support it, but a most browsers do. So people download images from their browser, then they try to view / edit locally, or upload and share, and they hit a wall.

  • the_weez@midwest.social
    6·
    14 hours ago

    It’s a codec issue. You can get the codec if your OEM paid for it, if not you can buy it on the MS store. It sucks but plenty of other codecs have had the same issue in the past on windows, mkv wasn’t playable by windows unless you had a codec for it.